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To: B-Chan

I understand that the Swiss model of healthcare is responsible, and comprehensive. Everyone buys insurance and the monies are split by the insurers according to the weights of the cases of the insurers.

It is transparent to the user


59 posted on 01/28/2009 7:53:11 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: Chickensoup

Thanks for replying to such an old post. In the current economic and political climate, the whole question seems rather quaint now.

I myself have no health insurance and no prospect of ever having any. (Few professional writers have health insurance!) Even if I could afford $1200 per month in premiums for a basic private policy, no insurance company will accept me; I’m 43, fat, and a diagnosed depressive (depression = pre-existing condition = no way). Thank God I’m in fine health — my blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol levels, and so forth are all at healthy levels, I rarely catch colds or other diseases, and I’m too old and doughy to skydive or play hockey.

I pay cash for care. Happily, I have a doctor who is liberal with pharmaceutical samples and who offers steep discounts in exchange for cash payment at the time of service. If not for him, I would have no drugs to control my asthma and mood disorder. His generosity with the samples he receives means my asthma and depression are fully controlled — but I’d be in deep, deep trouble without him. I could probably scrape up enough for a bottle of generic Paxil every month, but my asthma inhaler (that lasts one month) costs over $300 without an RX card!

Should an accident or catastrophic illness occur, however, I’m boned. The county hospital ER would be my only health care option.

I suppose the Ayn Rand fans would argue that if I can’t afford medical care I should just go off somewhere and die. I doubt my 2-year-old son would agree, however.

And when I get old? I must admit, the prospects of having a comfortable final decade are looking pretty dim. If current trends continue, by the time I’m too old to clean myself they’ll probably have drop-off euthanasia centers for useless eaters like me.

Although I don’t know much about the Swiss system, I know a former Swiss citizen who had nothing but good to say about it. She and her family plan on moving back to CH at some point in the future, which (I assume) she wouldn’t be doing if the health care delivery system in Switzerland wasn’t up to scratch.

For the record, I think the French system is probably the one that works best.


60 posted on 01/28/2009 10:19:22 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Chickensoup

from world magazine

Here is an interview from the current issue of World that you might be interested in. It is from an author who is discussing other options for health care. As a provider who sees little good in concentrating power into a single payer system it was interesting to me. I have heard many good and bad things about single payer systems but had never heard much about the Swiss system until now.

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Healthy competition
Author Regina Herzlinger says consumer choice would cure what ails the U.S. health-care system | Marvin Olasky
We decide which goods and services to purchase from an amazing array offered to us in many areas of our lives. But, for most Americans, two of the most critical areas are exceptions to our national emphasis on consumer choice. One is education, with its public-school system maintained by union power. The other is health care, run by what Regina Herzlinger calls an “iron triangle” of third-party institutions—Congress, health insurers, and hospitals—that stand in the way of consumer-driven health care.
Herzlinger, a Harvard Business School professor and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, succinctly lays out her analysis in Who Killed Health Care? (McGraw-Hill, 2007).
Q: Why do many hospitals and other health-care providers oppose letting the American people know the price of the medical services we use and the results doctors and hospitals achieve?
Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Providers fear that they will be the victims of transparency. After all, the only ones who will benefit are those who achieve higher quality at a better price. And what we do know about U.S. health care is not overwhelmingly positive; we spend 40 percent more as a percentage of GDP, as the next highest-spending country, and yet over 300,000 people are killed by hospital errors every few years.
The problem is that you and I do not control health care. As a result, insurers, service providers, and the government can use our money without being responsible for the results they achieve. All the money spent is ours but we have no accountability for it.
Q: In what ways has Congress acted to suppress competition in order to protect powerful, entrenched status quo health-care institutions?
Congress has not enabled the transparency in health care as it has in the financial sector. It is much more responsive to the status quo providers and insurers, who want to squash transparency, than to you and me. So while the government has enabled us to know quarterly earnings per share through the SEC, we know nothing about the death rate of a surgeon who does open-heart surgeries on people like us. Which statistic is more important?
The U.S. Congress also pays for health care in ways that inhibit competition. It sets the price—not the free market. Perversely, the government pays mostly for surgical and medical interventions. So if doctors develop a new service that will keep sick people healthier, they will lose money.
Last, the U.S. Congress has a thick sheaf of laws that prohibit physicians from owning health-care facilities. These laws are akin to prohibiting Michael Dell and Bill Gates, two subject matter geniuses who are also brilliant business people, from entering the technology sector.
Q: What’s big-is-beautiful health care, and how does consumer-driven health care differ from it?
The status-quo wants to increasingly centralize its powers, through consolidation of hospitals and insurers and increased government micro- management of health-care delivery. They argue that big is beautiful, but the economies of scale and standardization of quality they promise has yet to materialize. Rather, the increased consolidation of hospitals has increased prices and even, at times, diminished quality.
In contrast, consumer-driven health care decentralizes health-care and insurance-purchase decisions to us and gives us the money and information we need to make smart decisions about what we consider value for the money. The Swiss consumer-driven health-care system spends 40 percent less than the U.S., as a percentage of GDP, and achieves universal coverage and world-class quality results.
Q: Aren’t nonprofit hospitals dedicated to public service?
Some are—these safety-net hospitals serve the poor and uninsured. But all too many nonprofit hospitals have sacrificed their charitable mission in the pursuit of market share and profits. Some earn more than $500 million per year in profits while the uninsured are shunted to municipal safety-net hospitals. Sadly, these hospitals use their nonprofit status to inhibit their transparency and to cost the taxpayers forgone tax revenues, yet they do not bring commensurate charitable results.
Q: Are HMOs the problem or the solution?
HMOs are great for those who like them and not great for those who don’t. We need a consumer-driven system so we can select HMOs if we like them and choose other kinds of health insurance policies if we do not.
When human resources tried to stuff managed care insurance policies down the throats of employees, many rebelled. They did not want their money to be used to pay for insurers who sometimes stopped them from accessing health-care services. Who can blame them? We are entitled to as much free choice in health insurance as in every other aspect of our lives.
Q: How can Congress make consumer-driven health care happen—and do you think Congress will?
A simple tax law change will do the job. Right now I permit my employer to take money that would otherwise be my salary and to use it to buy my health insurance. Yet I would not want my bosses to buy my food, clothes, or housing. They simply cannot obtain what I consider value for the money and will likely simplify their lives by offering me a narrow range of choices.
For example, if my boss bought housing for me, I would likely have a much smaller range of choice that I do in the open housing market. Similarly, when my employers buy my health insurance, I have very little choice. Without choice, there is no competition. Without competition, there is no incentive for productivity.
I permit my employer to buy my health insurance only because she can use my pre-tax salary—but if I bought health insurance myself, I could use only after-tax salary. A tax shelter for the purchase of health insurance would dramatically transform this situation and enable consumer-driven health care.
Watch the Swiss
Herzlinger writes that “Switzerland is the only developed country with a long-standing consumer-driven health-care system. In essence, consumers purchase their own insurance and everyone is required to insure themselves. Those in financial need are not simply left out in the cold; there are tax-financed, means-tested subsidies for them. Furthermore, health insurance plan options vary substantially in price and coverage, providing options to the health-care consumers.
“The Swiss model is a good one. There, the price for health insurance is determined by gender and age, not the level of sickness; but the insurers have formed an exchange where they risk-adjust each other. They remove the profits earned by insurers solely by enrolling people who are healthier than the average for their gender and age and redistribute this profit to the insurers who have enrolled those who are sicker than the average.
“These risk-adjusted prices mean that sick people pay the same price for their insurance as everyone else, but providers receive more money for treatment of the sick. This way, health providers are encouraged, rather than dissuaded, to help those who need it most.” —

Consumers in charge
Herzlinger argues that consumer-driven care will lead to lower costs because “consumers will be rewarded by the entrepreneurial innovation that can simultaneously improve quality and control costs. Examples include convenient, inexpensive, ‘you’re sick, we’re quick’ retail medical centers; competition among doctor-owned, specialty hospitals; and integrated teams for the treatment of chronic diseases or disabilities.
“Other examples include global health services in developing countries that offer care to international patients; this enables countries to minimize the capital investment health facilities require. This also helps by reducing waiting times and capacity pressures in single-payer countries—and the services offered are typically cheaper than those in developed countries.” —


62 posted on 01/29/2009 3:38:28 AM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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