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Tipping Point
Red State Blue ^ | 23 of May 2008 | David Aronin

Posted on 05/23/2008 5:16:22 PM PDT by DIM1

An article on a recent poll of the public's attitudes towards Sen Obama's connection with Rev Wright indicates that - some things in the culture have changed, drastically - and not for the better.

Often the advent of a deep cultural shift is marked by a resounding silence - it is what is not heard that tells the actual story. Such was the case in regards to the "Monica Lewinsky Scandal" of the Clinton Presidency. Previous to that episode, In the US or UK at least, clear and public evidence of an adulterous relationship engaged in by a current President or Prime Minister during their tenure in office would have been sufficient in itself to lead to the resignation of the official in question...

...However, it soon became apparent that, even after most Americans (93%) had become convinced that it was likely that Pres Clinton had been involved in an ongoing adulterous relationship during his Presidency, howsoever much they might have disapprove of his actions personally: most (73%)did not want him to relinquish office,

...Indications of another such fundamental shift in public attitudes - though one likely with graver long-term implications for the chances that our nation will survive, and do so with its traditional liberties and values intact - are implicit in a NYT article concering a recent poll of public attitudes towards Sen Obama's most recent response to the opinions of his former pastor - Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Harbingers of seismic change are found in the juxtaposition of the following passages:

(Excerpt) Read more at red-state-blue.blogs.com ...


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: culture; democrats; obama; wright

1 posted on 05/23/2008 5:16:22 PM PDT by DIM1
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To: All

Yeh, he’s the tipping point, aright.

Check out this awesome video:

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The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.


2 posted on 05/23/2008 5:28:46 PM PDT by cyberella
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To: DIM1

I think what people tell the pollsters and what they do in the voting booth are two different things, particularly when racial issues are involved.


3 posted on 05/23/2008 5:32:15 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: cyberella
A look at your posting history shows that you've posted this 911 video link over 90 times.

May I encourage you to look for more varied means to advance our common cause of Freedom.

4 posted on 05/23/2008 6:25:28 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

May I encourage you to calm your hysterics about the extent of variation in posting histories.


5 posted on 05/23/2008 7:23:07 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Of foolishness and evil intent only one can take the lead, and socialists have no other choices.)
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To: cyberella

Excellent post, keep it up.


6 posted on 05/23/2008 7:24:32 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Of foolishness and evil intent only one can take the lead, and socialists have no other choices.)
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To: Rocky

Thank you for your reply.
You had written:
“I think what people tell the pollsters and what they do in the voting booth are two different things, particularly when racial issues are involved.”

I don’t think that’s what happening here - at least not in regards to most of these numbers. Anyone who didn’t want to support Sen Obama for racist reasons, but did not want to be suspected of doing so, could come up with any number of perfectly plausible reasons for backing Sen Clinton in the primaries or Sen McCain in the national election.

Racism and any other such affliction can be fought and overcome with the solid philosophical and moral weapons made available by our founders and those who followed in their paths, the men and women of faith who spearheaded the fight against slavery here and in the UK as well as those who latter led the original civil rights movement before the hucksters and neo-Marxists took it over.

What I’m afraid of is that we are faced with a moral affliction that is even more fundamental - because it strikes at the very core of the values - individual rights, individual responsibility, equality before the law, privacy and property rights, the family as fundamental and the parents as its head, economic liberty, love of country and faith - that have given us the strength and concepts with which to prevail over the effects of ethnic and racial prejudice as well as other such evils, and to do so to an extent unparalleled in most large-scale, complex and technically developed societies historically.

All the best and G-d Bless!
DIM1


7 posted on 05/25/2008 11:12:31 PM PDT by DIM1 (May the L-rd bless and keep our servicemen and women safe, and grant them victory)
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To: cyberella

Thank you very much for your reply and for the link.
I could not watch the video - I cannot see well enough to do so - but the author’s explanation of his thoughts, feelings and intentions came through loud and clear on the page where he expressed them.

I think the fact of the failure of so many of our countrymen and women to remember the attack and its full meaning, and to sustain a lasting commitment towards ensuring that - justice is done, and, that the country is made safe for our future and that of our nation’s children - is one of the saddest, least expected and most disappointing developments in our nation’s culture in the last hundred years or so. And, I think that no one was quite as affected by the failures of our fellow citizens in those ways as was our current President. That that good G-d fearing man, and most of his chosen officials, thought that - as a matter of course - our people would rally and stay rallied, as they had in the world wars and in regards to other times of crisis. And that they would remember their history well enough to understand, accept and move past the inevitable vicissitudes that would come as part of the conflict. And, i truly believe that he has never really recovered from the sadness and surprise that come over him when things failed to transpire.in that way.

But, the little history that students learn is done so through the lens of an ideology committed to the destruction of the values and traditions that have made our country what it is. I.e. “agents of change” who think that “what it is” is uncivilized, oppressive
and in need of radical alteration.
And this trend has been going on without let up for the last 50
years or so. In light of which fact, the defeatism, and acquiescence to socialism and identity politics evident in all too many facets of our culture - as tragic is it is - is really no surprise.

Everyone talks of it. Little is done. Perhaps - G-d willing - if one of the houses of congress can be brought back into the Republican fold - enough pressure can be exerted to force them to hold congressional hearings as to why our children are being taught to hate their country, its values and traditions.

I pray for that.
All the best to you and yours!
and
Blessings

DIM1


8 posted on 05/26/2008 12:09:18 AM PDT by DIM1 (May the L-rd bless and keep our servicemen and women safe, and grant them victory)
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To: reasonisfaith

Here! Here!

DIM1


9 posted on 05/26/2008 12:12:35 AM PDT by DIM1 (May the L-rd bless and keep our servicemen and women safe, and grant them victory)
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To: DIM1
You may be right, perhaps the results are accurate, but I would like to make one point clear. When I say that people will behave differently in the election booth, I am not implying that they are somehow racists, voting against Obama because he is black. Rather, I think they will respond favorably about Obama in a poll because they do not want to be perceived as racists.

They may have legitimate reasons why they don't support him. Some people just don't like to reveal their thoughts on sensitive issues, and will publicly state what they think is most acceptable to others who are listening.

10 posted on 05/26/2008 10:07:44 AM PDT by Rocky
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To: Rocky

Thank you for your reply.
Though some of Sen Obama’s supporters have played the race card, I’m not sure that they’re been any more persuasive to their fellow Democrats on that account than Sen Clinton’s supporters have been in convincing substantial numbers of party faithful that those who fail to vote for her are closet misogynists.

One factor to remember in viewing these “festivities” from the outside is that: “racist”, “sexist” and “homophobic,” etc are generally terms that liberals believe to be applicable only to others - i.e. conservatives, libertarians etc. It is likely that they have a hard time taken such charges as seriously when directed by liberals against those of their own AND when done so in the context of a heated election contest (e.g. “no one could REALLY believe that of ME,” etc). Just a thought.

On the other hand, I certainly do hope that you are correct, and that, as a result, waves of disgruntled Democrats jump the rail and vote for Sen McCain come November, or just stay home in spite.

All the best and G-d Bless!
DIM1


11 posted on 05/27/2008 7:21:12 PM PDT by DIM1 (May the L-rd bless and keep our servicemen and women safe, and grant them victory)
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