Posted on 05/06/2008 12:53:25 PM PDT by joeclarke
For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
After months of the repetitious drone on Obama's faith and ministers, why isn't it time that Hillary Clinton's faith be oggled? If Obama has been effected by Rev Wright and the Africentric gospel, what has motivated Hillary, spiritually?
Obama has confessed that he "prays to Jesus every night," and that he has attended church on many a Sunday morning.
The most I know about Hillary's spiritual life is that she has often addressed black churches from their pulpits proclaiming, "This is the day the lord has made...," (with a phony black-preacher cadence) and, "You know my husband, Bill, is Baptist." Early in the primaries, church congregants raised the roof shouting for Hillary. Hillary has stopped praising the Lord so much in the black churches more recently because, "Obama has that demographic."
So, what drives Saint Hillary? After doing a cursory search on the net, I could not find any church, denomination, minister or even spiritual advisor Hillary may be seeking for advice or at least fellowship. She has admitted to "hearing" from Eleanor Roosevelt, and has been spiritually guided by several New Agers including Jean Houston, founder of Foundation Of Mind Research.
Before checking the Bible to find any of Hillary's heroes, one should first consider the couple of men who convinced Hillary to switch from the old fashioned Methodism of her parents to the mod, liberation theology of the sixities: Saul Alinsky and Martin Luther King. They both drew traditional protestants and catholics into a Marxist sphere of "helping the poor," not through personal charity, but through vast, bloated, ineffective government programs which could more easily confiscate property from the "haves," and reapportion the funding to the "have nots." Obama has similarly benefitted from this rhetoric, which has the unfortunate consequence of fueling class greed and envy - not known as particularly Christian traits.
Bill Clinton employed lib evangelist Tony Campola for spiritual advice while in the White House. Tony Campola has not been known to be a believer in Gospel fundamentals.
I do have this blurb from as late as 2007 in which Hillary does profess to be a Christian: From gatewaypundit.blogspot.com
"Hillary got a "surprise" visit from her Sunday School teacher from the Chicago area while she spoke in Donnellson, Iowa. (Screengrab-AP)
It looks like Hillary's Jesus moment was likely another staged event for the Democratic front runner.
The New York Daily News reported:
"Clinton called on two audience members for questions, including Amy Fellows of Croton, Iowa, who asked, "Are you a Christian?"
"Yes I am," said Hillary.
"OK, that’s really important to me. God be with you," said Fellows.
"And also with you," the senator answered. "I'm often asked what are the biggest influences in my life and what are the important commitments that kind of keep me going — my faith, my family, my friends, my work. I used to get asked fairly often if I was a praying person. I said yes, I was raised going to church, I'm a Methodist," she said to applause. "I'm a very grateful and committed Methodist."
Fellows told our pool reporter (Pat Healy, for the curious) later that she was not a part of the Clinton campaign and that the question was not planted.
"Having a good Christian in the White House is very important to me," she said, adding she was leaning strongly towards Clinton, but didn't know very much about John Edwards or Obama, including their religions or the brouhaha over Obama's faith and Kerrey's comments.
Also among the 200 people at the Donnellson firehouse was Rosalie Bentzinger, who was the director of religious education Hillary's First Methodist Church in Park Ridge, Ill. She gave Hillary a picture of her confirmation class from March 22, 1959."
Hillary may very well be a practicing Methodist which is one of the most liberal mainline denominations out there. I do not suppose a Progressive Methodist would mind being confused with a Marxist. I am also not sure how one could follow Christ and live with Methodist doctrine simultaneously. Here are just two reasons:
Abortion Rights And Homosexuality
The United Methodists began in the early 1970s to view abortion as a "choice". The United Methodist position in favor of abortion has been so strong that two of its institutions helped organize and affiliate with the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights. For many years RCAR used office space in the United Methodist Building which is located across the street from the U.S. Supreme Court. In both 1996 and 1997 the United Methodist Church publicly supported President Clinton's veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. While the 1996 United Methodist Church's Book of Discipline still maintains a strong pro-abortion position, it now includes wording recognizing the "sanctity of unborn human life." It further states, "We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection." The UMC has lost two and a half million members since 1965, a decline of 24 percent. The denomination, with thirteen seminaries and almost a hundred affiliated theological schools, runs the largest seminary system in America - none of which are devoted to traditionalist Wesleyan doctrine. A school which teaches Wesleyan doctrine to the exclusion of other ideologies would not be accredited by the University Senate, whose guidelines state: "The United Methodist Church is theologically diverse; there is an expectation that UMC seminarians will be exposed to a variety of theological positions current within Methodism."
"Similar to other mainline denominations, the UMC is divided over the issue of homosexual affirmation. At the national level, however, the issue has essentially been decided. Essentially all church agencies and seminaries openly support "gay" rights. The Director of Recruitment at the denomination's flagship UM seminary - Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington - is a leader in the UM homosexual inclusion movement."
Note: President G W Bush has admitted to being a Methodist, but he has far more times professed a faith in God and the delivering power of Jesus Christ. I have not heard such specifics from Hillary. Does she think it will hurt her union voters? Offend Catholics?
Hard to tell with Hillary because she could have been an improv actor. She has the extraordinary ability to spout off anything that may gain popular support at any given time without thinking of the consequences. A queen of ad libbers. Very contrary to what the Bible says about being "slow to speak."
The Clintons wouldn't have the taste for that and wouldn't be naive enough to associate with that kind of pastor.
Well, I just assumed that Hill’s pastor was Alistar Crowley- but I believe he died some time ago.
She wanted a pastor who was in touch with all the people of this country therefore her minister’s name is Rev. Jamal Yamamoto Sitting Bull Billy Bob Goldstein.
I don’t think that’s fair. The reason Wright became a huge issue is because Obama himself claims a close relationship with his pastor, and uses Wright’s sermon as the title of his biography. Neither Hillary or McCain made similar claim toward their pastor.
From blogs;
SURPRISE SURPRISE!!! NO QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER HILLARY IS GOING TO DENOUNCE HER MINISTER, DOUGLAS COE, A MAN WHO PRAISED HITLER IN RECORDED SERMONS? SINCE 1993, HILLARY CLINTON REGULARLY ATTENDED THE PRAYER MEETINGS OF THIS MAN. DOES SHE NOT REALIZE HOW MANY MILLIONS OF JEWS WERE KILLED BY HITLER. I WONDER IF HILLRY PLANS TO DENOUNCE THIS MAN, WHO SHE PRAYED REGULARLY WITH SINCE 1993 I AM WATCHING AND WAITING!!! OR MAYBE HILLARY DOESN"T THINK PRAISING HITLER IS SUCH A BAD THING.
THE PRESS SPOKE ABOUT HILLARY"S CLINTON;S 15 YEAR PASTOR FOR ONE DAY A FEW MONTHS AGO, ONE DAY, AND THIS IS A MAN WHO PRAISED HITLER, IN A RECORDED SERMON. DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL BIAS HERE.
I AM STILL WAITNG TO SEE HILLARY DENOUNCES HER PASTOR, DOUGLAS COE, A MAN WHOSE PRAYER SERVICES SHE ATTENDED FOR 15 YEARS.
Hillary's pastor; Doug Coe - The "Fellowship
Hillary is a New Age Feminist. This means her deity won’t be a he, she has some sort of pagan godess for her deity.
Great article. Thanks for posting. I want to know all about where she has been, who are her friends and associates, where she goes to church, and what she has read. I want to know more about her relationship with Saul Alinsky, and why she helped to defend Black Panthers, and how she got fired from the Judicial Committee during the Nixon impeachment hearings.
All this focus on some crazy Obama reverend and nothing on her. Like she is some kind of virginal lily white and pure saint.
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