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Abortion versus the Death Penalty: the Politics of Life and Death
Town Hall ^ | 042808 | Rich from Paso

Posted on 04/28/2008 12:42:48 AM PDT by kathsua

I am pro-life and pro-death penalty and I am perfectly comfortable with that.

I am against aborting an unborn baby except in the most rarest of circumstances. I believe that if left to Mother Nature, every fetus will become a normal human being. I find the practice of sucking out the brains of babies pulled almost all the way out feet first is an abomination and is morally reprehensable and indefenseable. I believe that too many times, abortion proponents, like Planned Parenthood, encourage abortions in order to bolster the argument that women want abortions.

I am for capital punishment, the death penalty. I believe that the death penalty isn't used enough, quite honestly, to punish the most heinous and evil acts that one human commits on another. I feel that serial rapists should be executed. I believe that serial child molesters and serial child rapists should be executed. I feel that murderers should not be allowed to repeatedly abuse the justice system with appeals that have nothing to do with how the original case was tried.

How can I be anti-abortion and still be pro-death penalty? It is very easy and quite logical. It is all about innocence, or the lack thereof. A fetus in the womb is absolutely innocent of any crimes or sins outside the original one. A serial rapist, serial killer, serial molester, a convicted terrorist that has murdered Americans, a traitor that has cost the lives of Americans anywhere in the world because of their actions, is absolutely guilty of their crimes against the people of their community and against society as a whole.

The fact of the matter is that only five people back in 1970 said that abortion is not only legal but protected by the Constitution. Five men out of the 200 million Americans decided that women had a right to privacy and that privacy right extends to them being able to abort a fetus in their womb. On the face of it, the Right to Privacy is found no where in the Constitution. Also, this interpretation of privacy violates the Equal Protection clause because what commenserate Right to Privacy do men have? This ruling was by its nature very discriminatory.

Conversely, elected representatives in 34 states have voted for and passed the death penalty. The death penalty was voted on by the 535 elected representatives in the House and Senate and passed. Why is it that it is permissable to allow the thousands of people in all 50 states and Congress to vote on the death penalty but it is not permissable for the 50 states to vote on the legality of abortion? The answer comes to power. Feminists look at women's ability to abort a baby as the ultimate act personal power. The woman gets to decide and the man has no say. I feel that killing a fetus is the most pathetic exercise of power ever conceived. Aborting a fetus as an exercise of power is six or seven levels below kicking a dog just because you can. It is weakness, not strength, when you kill an innocent creature of any kind, let alone a soon-to-be fellow human being. These women would be the first to beg for their lives if a man were to attempt to rape them (as all women should) when they are helpless, but will not extend that courtesy to their fetus, their child. Secondly, abortion exists to be exercised at the convienence of the woman. Too many times, abortions are administered as a form of birth control. The instances of rape, incest or health of the mother are fewer than 5% of all cases. However, over 80% of abortions are done because of either poor or non-existant use of birth control or it will interfere with the life of the mother. Additionally, 49 in a 1000 black women and 33 in 1,000 hispanic women got abortions. Minority women are targeted for abortions for eugenics resaons. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a proponent of eugenics with the goal of sterilizing or aborting black babies in order to "purify" the human species of weaknesses, namely blacks. Why do the liberals of today still support the practices of Sanger and her organization? Is it because they approve of these ideals? It would seem so.

Barak Obama says that he feels that the States can best regulate late-term abortions which is why he opposed the bill in Congress. If that is the case, why can't states regulate all abortions? We know that Nebraska and South Dakota don't want any abortions. We know that states like California and New York would probably allow abortions up to the date of delivery if given a chance. Why can't the voters decide this? Fact is that they can if given a chance. Roe vs. Wade needs to be sent down to the states to vote on if they choose deciding under what conditions it is permissable, otherwise it should be illegal.

As for the death penalty, there has yet to be an instance of where an innocent man or woman has been executed, and I don't think there ever will. We spend far, far, far more time deliberating and litigating the instances of capital punishment for murders that has been done than we ever do for a human fetus that does not know the outside world. Furthermore, with the improvements in DNA collection, analysis, and database management, the likelihood of an innocent person being executed is remote. Finally, the use of an insanity plea or mental disability to avoid the death penalty should end. If the person is in fact insane, doesn't that amplify the need for capital punishment instead of lessoning it? A mentally disabled person convicted of murder would be unable to be rehabilitated because of their infirmity. htey did the act. Why should anyone be able to skate out of it.

Capital punishment is the ultimate form of crime prevention. If you execute a serial child rapist, one: it means that more than two children were raped by the person, and two: by executing them, that prevents all children and their parents from having to worry about being a victim of that person. Same holds for serial rapists of adult women or men. A murderer executed has a 0% chance of ever being able to murder again. What is wrong with 100% certitude of preventing that person from committing that crime again?


TOPICS: Gardening; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpenalty
What I cannot understand is those who oppose capital punishment and support abortion. If anyone is going to be killed it should be criminals not innocent babies.

It government isn't going to execute serial rapists it should at least castrate them.

1 posted on 04/28/2008 12:42:49 AM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

> How can I be anti-abortion and still be pro-death penalty? It is very easy and quite logical. It is all about innocence, or the lack thereof.

Yup. It really is as simple and succinct as that. The best things in life are simple and succinct.


2 posted on 04/28/2008 1:25:15 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: kathsua

” I believe that if left to Mother Nature, every fetus will become a normal human being.”

Mother Nature, unfortunately, is not so kind:

“Prospective studies using very sensitive early pregnancy tests have found that 25% of pregnancies are miscarried by the sixth week LMP (since the woman’s Last Menstrual Period).,,In women, by the age of forty-five, 75% of pregnancies may end in miscarriage.” Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage


3 posted on 04/28/2008 2:07:27 AM PDT by onguard
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To: kathsua

Sorry. When I hit “most rarest” in the second sentence, I had to abort. Haven’t had my coffee yet.


4 posted on 04/28/2008 4:12:24 AM PDT by weeder
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