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To: Soliton

While I am not in the ID side of the argument I see things in physiology, microbiology and the absolute math that governs the universe that does make me question the supposed randomness that governs life.

BTW I would argue that intelligent design is a concept as old as natural history, dating back to Plato and Paley, the latter having coined the term design on numerous occasions.


13 posted on 04/20/2008 9:13:06 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: aft_lizard

Thanks for a thoughtful reply. I have become somewhat of an expert on this subject in the last few days and it was a very painful process.

If you read my post and actually review the transcript of Kitzmiller, you will see the ID of the ancients as a very different critter than the current ID Movement. I have no problem with ancient cosmologies involving titans, gods, or great serpents creating the universe, or gos creating man. These are religious concepts however, not science. My problem is the dishonest attempt to disguise creationism as science by hiding behind ID and calling it science. At the same time, they take a heavilly supported and accepted theory like evolution and claim it as religion. I am defending scientific method, not just evolution. The barbarians are at the gates.


20 posted on 04/20/2008 9:24:55 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: aft_lizard
"BTW I would argue that intelligent design is a concept as old as natural history, dating back to Plato and Paley, the latter having coined the term design on numerous occasions."

You're making a fundamental error. There is a huge difference between "intelligent design" (small case), which points to God, and "The Intelligent Design Movement", which points in every possible direction, including aliens from outer space (which is why even some atheists are involved in that movement).

On a side note: The creation itself provides a "general" revelation to all rational people that there is a Creator (God) --- HOWEVER - the creation alone doesn't point to Christ, the Savior. That takes a "special" revelation not given to all. The Cross is foolishness to those whom God hasn't given to Christ. John 17:6

89 posted on 04/20/2008 10:57:24 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Proud member of "Operation Chaos" having the T-shirt , ball cap and bumpersticker to prove it.)
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To: aft_lizard
Does randomness govern whether or not a Casino makes money over the long haul? No. A Casino will always make money over a long enough time period. Randomness is part of the game, but the games are set so that the house always makes more than they pay out.

Same for Evolution. Randomness is part of the game, but selective pressure ensures that the “house” has the advantage.

314 posted on 05/09/2008 12:08:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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