Posted on 04/18/2008 4:04:57 PM PDT by PurpleMountains
I just returned home from seeing the premiere of Ben Stein's new movie, "Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed". I was amazed that such an important movie that addresses serious questions would be so enjoyable and have such great entertainment value. The movie exposes Darwinism and the crushing of scientific inquiry going on in this country. Darwinism is the foundation science of modern liberalism, and just as liberalism is a failed philosophy and imposes political correctness to stifle debate, so is some of Darwinian theory wrong, and scientific study and debate about it is simiarly stifled. I urge everyone to see this movie and spread its messsage.
(Excerpt) Read more at forthegrandchildren.blogspot.com ...
I anticipate a lot of fun watching the reactions of the evolutionists when Stein wins best film for 08.
Is %deity% required to keep the planets in orbit?
You really don’t want people who do not believe in the scientific method, who believe the earth is 6,000 years old, who believe that %deity% Did It is a valid way to approach scientific problems.
You want someone who knows physics (rules out YEC), who knows the scientific method (rules out ID), who tests as fully as possible the item that is being designed (rules out miracles to keep it working).
I haven’t the time to educate you on evolutionary algorithms but there are hundreds of research papers on the net for you to read. I suggest you do.
YOU are the one claiming that military technology depends upoon belief in the theory of evolution. A REAL “evolutionary algorithm” would have to be modeled after the fruit fly experiments, i.e. 30 years worth of effort with every possible parameter maximally tweaked to benefit the theory and total failure; think you can design an algorithm like that which will benefit our military?
There are infinite ways to design programs that don’t work. Commercial evolutionartion algorithms work.
Soliton said:
Why will no one give supporting evidence for the “scientific” theory of ID?
Howdy Soliton this might give you a start.
Pam Reynolds She underwent a rare operation to remove a giant basilar artery aneurysm in her brain that threatened her life. The size and location of the aneurysm, however, precluded its safe removal using the standard neuro-surgical techniques.
She was referred to a doctor who had pioneered a daring surgical procedure known as hypothermic cardiac arrest. It allowed Pam’s aneurysm to be excised with a reasonable chance of success.
This operation, nicknamed “standstill” by the doctors who perform it, required that Pam’s body temperature be lowered to 60 degrees, her heartbeat and breathing stopped, her brain waves flattened, and the blood drained from her head. In everyday terms, she was put to death.
After removing the aneurysm, she was restored to life. During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate.
This case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead.
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For practical purposes outside the world of academic debate, three clinical tests commonly determine brain death.
First, a standard electroencephalogram, or EEG, measures brain-wave activity. A “flat” EEG denotes non-function of the cerebral cortex - the outer shell of the cerebrum.
Second, auditory evoked potentials, similar to those [clicks] elicited by the ear speakers in Pam’s surgery, measure brain-stem viability. Absence of these potentials indicates non-function of the brain stem. And third, documentation of no blood flow to the brain is a marker for a generalized absence of brain function.
But during “standstill”, Pam’s brain was found “dead” by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain. Interestingly, while in this state, she encountered the “deepest” NDE of all Atlanta Study participants.
Some scientists theorize that NDEs are produced by brain chemistry. But, Dr. Peter Fenwick, a neuropsychiatrist and the leading authority in Britain concerning NDEs, believes that these theories fall far short of the facts. In the documentary, “Into the Unknown: Strange But True,” Dr. Fenwick describes the state of the brain during a NDE:
“The brain isn’t functioning. It’s not there. It’s destroyed. It’s abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don’t know what’s happening and the brain isn’t working.
The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won’t remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences [a NDE], you come out with clear, lucid memories ...
This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact.”
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html
Not a single thing about ID in your post. Thanks though.
Dolphin and whale mate to create a ‘wolphin’
Although it is extremely rare, animals occasionally succeed in producing offspring with mates from closely related species.
Scientists believe some actively try to mate outside their own species to increase the diversity of their wild populations.
But most hybrids are born in captivity - which may suggest sexual frustration and proximity are stronger factors.
Kekaimalu the ‘wolphin’ was the result of the union of a bottlenose dolphin and a false killer whale, which is actually a member of the dolphin family.
The two parent animals mated while working together at Sea Life Park in Hawaii and Kekaimalu was born in 1985.
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Her size - 600lbs and nearly 10ft long - colour, and shape are half way between that of her mother and father.
Unlike most hybrids, which tend to be sterile, Kekaimalu had two female calves, both sired by male bottlenoses
Then the two (the theory and the algorithms) must not be related to eachother because the theory provably does not work.
To find out for yourself just what issues were involved in the Scopes trial, visit my FR homepage and download Hunter's Civic Biology, the textbook that caused all the fuss. Then read the darwinism portions.
I'm afraid you're not in a position to ask this, since neither you nor any other darwinian has ever offered any direct evidence for darwinism.
That's not true. Mayr's book What Evolution is (2001) presents exactly the same darwinism as that found in Newman's Readings in Evolution, Genetics, and Eugenics (1920's) which is the same as the dog-eat-dog nonsense of Huxley, Spencer, and Darwin. And no, you can't write off Mayr as a know-nothing: he was a Darwin medalist.
Niles Eldredge does. Do you know who he is?
Soliton said:
Not a single thing about ID in your post. Thanks though.
Of course there is Soliton...this whole thread has been you wanting proof that ID is true. (God)
Most Evo’s don’t want to think about life & death issues...they want to believe and have faith...that they somehow just appeared, and this whole beautiful world and the universe just “happened” by itself without God.
That way you don’t have to think about what happens to you when you die.
It scares all of you to even “think” you might have to give a accounting of your life to God. You want to live your life as you want to.
Your mad at God because your child is ill, and something your Dad told you or you saw, and you blame God for it.
My post about Pam...Soliton...was doctors who put Pam to death medically & what she saw when she was dead.
Which means that we continue on after our body dies. We see things...we hear things...what makes us...us is still alive.
The only thing that has died is this “house” we walk around in right now.
This life time is only a blink of the eyes compared to eternity.
You folks (Evo’s love to talk about billions & billions of years ago how everything changed). Well I’m telling you about eternity. And it only takes a second...one second your here on earth sucking in oyxgen...the next second your in your eternal home.
You only have two choices for your eternal home...Heaven or Hell. God doesn’t want anyone to go to Hell...but if that’s what you want He’ll let you make that decision.
You might want to read about Howard Storm. He was an avowed atheist
http://www.near-death.com/storm.html
Pam’s death was where the doctors were in control...she saw the instruments they used on her durning surgery...which was impossible...as her eyes were taped shut for her surgery...she heard what the medical team were talking about while she was dead...because she wasn’t in her body...she was outside her body.
I would think you would trust doctors testimonies of what happened to their dying patients...To Hell and Back by Dr. Maurice Rawlins, MD, a heart surgeon
http://riversoflivingwater.org/audios.htm
You are confused about the meaning of ID. ID supposedly doesn't involve God. Of course it does in reality, and that's why it can't legally be taught in school. NDE is very interesting, but it does not constitute scientific evidence of anything except that NDE's exist. there are drugs available that can lead to similar experiences while perfecly alive. Shaman's have been using them forever to see the god's. Besides, again by ID rules, you're not allowed to mention God.
Good grief Osgoode, I have offered direct evidence for speciation, intermediate forms in the fossil record, genetic separation from chimps and humans, and interspecies reproduction on this and similar threads in the last 2 days. These included links to original scientific articles with the original footnotes attached. Do you have ANYTHING of a similar nature to support ID?
I back everything I say with supporting evidence.
Yeah, He’s a famous guy. He doesn’t mean it in the religious sense that ID implies however. I was able to find another one too, but he was an evolution critic. I am glad someone is looking for evidence. Thanks.
Soliton said:
You are confused about the meaning of ID. ID supposedly doesn’t involve God. Of course it does in reality, and that’s why it can’t legally be taught in school.
Howdy Soliton;
LOL...And parents ought to bypass this PC garbage and demand their kids get to hear the truth about how we got here...God.
We kicked God out of the schools and allowed the devil to come in.
In ancient days when I went to school..the 10 commandments were posted behind the teachers desk. Did they turn me into a Christian...no!
But they instilled in my head not to kill...steal...or hurt others.
Boys took their guns to school so they could go hunting after school was out...did we ever have a school shooting....no!
Did we ever see kids beating the stuffing out of other kids for the pure fun of it...no!
Did we have kids stealing cars or doing drugs...no!
Did we see kids beating up their teachers...no!
The worse thing we did prior to the 1960’s were talking in line and chewing gum. Oh a few of the really bad kids did sneak a smoke now and then.
The kids are taught the garbage of survival of the fittest, so that’s what they’re doing. Beating up and killing others.
Whatever we feed ourselves is what comes out of us...if it’s good things...good comes out....if it’s bad...bad comes out.
All the garbage Hollywood produces is instilled in our kids heads...until killing others doesn’t mean a thing to them. A life has no value anymore.
The kids don’t know they’re going to have to answer to God for their deeds because they aren’t allowed to hear about Him!
The kids don’t know there’s a Heaven to win and a Hell to shun.
They don’t know how fast this lifetime goes by...they think they’re going to live forever, and it doesn’t matter what they do as long as they make money, and get the most toys.
***Still Praying for the healing of all my brothers and sisters in Jesus****
Soliton said:
NDE is very interesting, but it does not constitute scientific evidence of anything except that NDE’s exist. there are drugs available that can lead to similar experiences while perfecly alive. Shaman’s have been using them forever to see the god’s. Besides, again by ID rules, you’re not allowed to mention God.
I would think listening to doctors telling you what their patients experienced during a NDE, (because the doctors are right there on the scene to witness the facts)should give you some pause to what lays ahead for you?
In Pam’s case she was dead...dead...dead. All brain waves were gone...pulse was gone yet she got to see everything going on with her surgery...then got a chance to see and talk to her family members who were dead.
And there have been thousands & thousands of NDE experiences...not just a couple.
All this lifetime is for you to decide where you want to spend eternity.
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