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Unreliable Haditha witness basis for Iraq Vets Against the War testimony
Defend Our Marines ^ | March 2, 2008 | David Allender

Posted on 03/02/2008 6:50:32 PM PST by RedRover

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To: RedRover

So, POS Murtha claimed in his interview:

That the Commandant of Marines told him (Murtha) that he (the Commandant) saw the incident with the “taxi” (which, btw, was photographed with the weapons stacked up which had been taken from it) pulled up. And that the Commandant saw the Marines on location kill the men inside the “taxi” in cold blood? And then go in the house and kill?

Murtha is claiming the Commandant witnessed these things and then told him (Murtha) about it?

There is no way in hell that the Commandant said any of that. There’s no way in hell the Commandant saw any of that. Nothing in the actual factual evidence supports anything Murtha has to say.

Someday, we might wake up and decide we want to survive as a nation, a culture and a people. On that day, the life expectancy of those who represent the interests of our enemy will reach zero.

Until then, we will continue to crawl on our knees to pleasure our tormentors. And if we do not wake up and relearn how to stand up, we will pass away as every other nation, culture, people have who’ve allowed themselves to coddle betrayers.


21 posted on 03/02/2008 9:44:37 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: RedRover
Red, until DelaCruz proved himself a....what BHF posted...., you did give him the benefit of the doubt, and should be commended for it.

That was a long time ago, and that boy took the bait (and has been embarrassing NCIS ever since!!), swallowed the hook, and all he got was a bump on the head, a sore lip, and a lifetime of misery, because everyone but him (& Mendoza) are going out the front doors, while he slinks out the back!

22 posted on 03/02/2008 10:08:11 PM PST by 4woodenboats (defendourtroops.org defendourmarines.org)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Lancey Howard; freema
The Meaning of Semper Fidelis

by Cam Beck

For my family, Semper Fidelis is more than a fancy slogan. It is truly a way of life. My father retired from the Marine Corps in the 90s, after serving over twenty years and more than one tour of duty in a combat zone. Therefore, my two brothers and I grew up in a culture that demanded excellence and loyalty of its members, and it showed. It is partially for this reason, I am convinced, that we all joined the Marine Corps when we were of the appropriate age. Because of my upbringing, it is somewhat difficult to imagine what life would be like, had I not grown up surrounded by living, breathing personifications of "Semper Fidelis," and I am increasingly beginning to realize that I do not understand the mindset of those who had not. It is this realization that led me to reflect on the history of the phrase, and speculate the reason it holds such weight with the members of the Marine Corps..

The first thing I questioned was the Latin thing. Why not simply make the slogan "Always Faithful," since that is what the Latin phrase literally means? More people would certainly understand it. Apparently, whenever someone has something important to say, he translates it to Latin, and that lends the phrase credibility and respectability.

E Plurbus Unum. Pro bono. Carpe Diem. Mea Culpa. Sic Semper Tyrannus. The phrases are a part of our culture, but not native to our language. Unless we have been taught what they mean separately from our education in English, we would have no idea. I would wager that Semper Fidelis means more to those who use it than just about any other Latin phrase in use today.

Customarily, though, Latin has also been the language of law. Habeus Corpus, Stare Decisis, and Per Curium are terms one commonly would come across if he did only a precursory exploration of legal decisions. Even the United States adopted the practice of using Latin in its written Constitution, in spite of the desire to create a Constitution that could be easily understood by common people, who typically could not read and write Latin. However, America was a special case. The people had already been governing themselves for some time before the revolution. Unlike today, now that apathy reigns, participation in local politics was almost necessary for survival. That atmosphere of social and political cooperation was one that was replete with Latin phrases. America was unique--set apart from the other countries--for just that reason. It was a province that was governed by the people, not kings--and its people would not relinquish that tradition without a fight.

When doctors started translating ailments into Latin-Greek hybrids, they were criticized for creating a language that only doctors could understand. Of course, that was partly the point. It set apart those who could understand from those who could not--thus both signifying the value that doctors provided as well as creating a group of people who could identify one another by their similar values and education.

The use of Latin in the Marine Corps motto is not bred from a very different motivation. Of course, the Marine Corps has never experienced a mutiny. Marines in England were revered for their loyalty to the crown, just as United States Marines are now revered for their downright fanatical dedication to each other, their service, and their country. Using Latin to characterize this quality represents its legitimization--its codification. Significantly, for Marines at least, it also provides a caste--a group that is separate and unique from any other--a group that has no desire to be like any other.

“It is not negotiable. It is not relative, but absolute.”

What is left unsaid in the motto is also notable. The phrase is "Always faithful." It isn't "Sometimes Faithful." Nor is it "Usually Faithful," but always. It is not negotiable. It is not relative, but absolute. Who is always faithful, though. and to what, exactly are they faithful?

Interestingly, the simplicity of the phrase and the calculated neglect to specify its parameters seems to strengthen it. Marines pride themselves on their straightforward mission and steadfast dedication to accomplish it. Things do not need to be spelled out for them; they know what it means and what to do about it.

Even though Marines are known to swell with pride from time to time (they do, after all, have a noble legacy to continue), they are not snobbish. Even the use of Latin must make them uncomfortable, because they shorten an already-short motto to the more colloquial "Semper Fi." This does not misrepresent the phrase; it simply symbolizes the ability of common people to become part of a brotherhood that demands more of its members than any other comparable group in the world.

The longer I am out of the service, the more I recognize my draw to and longing for the culture of "Semper Fidelis." I suspect that reading this will impart nothing significant to Marines, as they already are aware of their glorious charge. It is my earnest hope, however, that it may help others understand the reason Marines hold the Corps in such high esteem. All those references by former Marines, in their new jobs, to "back when I was in The Corps," will begin to make a little more sense. Marines are imbued with Semper Fidelis, and all it means, and because they lived it for so long, they have difficulty accepting any less from others.

Semper Fi!

23 posted on 03/02/2008 10:16:19 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Excellent! Thanks for the ping

Semper Fidelis,
LH


24 posted on 03/02/2008 10:20:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

ping


25 posted on 03/03/2008 3:03:30 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RedRover; Chickenhawk Warmonger
If I was a Marine who served with Jason Wayne Washburn, I would be very, very nervous. We now have the precedent of inactive servicemen being charged with war crimes in civilian court. The media is standing by to destroy the lives of any military member accused of a crime even on the flimsiest hearsay evidence. And flimsy hearsay evidence is what Washburn has to offer.

Excellent point, Red. If he's getting his information from Sanick Dela Cruz, he might want to read what the Investigating Officer thought of Dela Cruz's testimony in SSGT Wuterich's hearing.

On the witness stand he is unclear, easily confused, and acquiesces to counsel’s questioning. Simply stated, Sgt Dela Cruz’s demeanor and performance in the courtroom is poor. He is easily impeached and absent independent evidence to support his statements, wholly incredible. Because I could not rely on Sgt Dela Cruz for the truth, I searched through all the evidence and found his testimony can not be corroborated.

Jason Washburn has caught the attention of Michael Moore. I'm not sure if this is the same Jason Washburn who helped Code Pink set up a Sea of Tombstones, but I doubt there are too many Marines named Jason Washburn and are associated with Iraq Veterans Against the War.
26 posted on 03/03/2008 6:25:30 AM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover
Though the establishment news media will report Winter Soldier II the New Media will quickly debunk it as they did John Kerry’s Vietnam exploits, the Bush Texas Air Guard “documents,” the aborted CBS miniseries on Ronald and Nancy Reagan, and the New Republic/Pvt. Scot Beaucamp Iraq fiction. Unlike 1972 when Kerry and his lying deadbeats held their smear event, we now live in the age of instant information and fact checking.
27 posted on 03/03/2008 7:38:27 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Girlene

Same guy..


28 posted on 03/03/2008 9:44:50 AM PST by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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To: smoothsailing

Great post! Thanks, Smooth.


29 posted on 03/03/2008 11:55:15 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Girlene; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

Ping to girlene’s post #26 and the link to Michael Moore, where he gives info on the new Winter Soldiers.


30 posted on 03/03/2008 5:17:12 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RedRover

These turn in events really continue to show how badly some people in power for some strange reason want to prosecute any of those Marines involved in this case regardless of having a sound case against them. By any stretch of the imagination, this is simply a witch hunt to burn someone at the stake with prior knowledge no witch even existed.


31 posted on 03/03/2008 6:39:17 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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To: freema

These turn in events really continue to show how badly some people in power for some strange reason want to prosecute any of those Marines involved in this case regardless of having a sound case against them. By any stretch of the imagination, this is simply a witch hunt to burn someone at the stake with prior knowledge no witch even existed.


32 posted on 03/03/2008 6:39:52 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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