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Have Conservatives Failed America?
NYC Right ^ | February 12, 2008 | Ron Lewenberg

Posted on 02/12/2008 6:01:28 PM PST by rmlew

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Feeling pessimistic here.
1 posted on 02/12/2008 6:01:33 PM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew

Yeppers.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 6:08:24 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: rmlew
Allow me to get very ethnocentric here:

It was a very special culture that created America. The rugged, do-it-yourself pioneer spirit was the result of a specific conjunction of individuality, pride, intelligence, and optimism that, frankly, is non-existent in most cultures.

Most cultures are tribal, collectivist, and have very limited goals: party and get laid. Even strict Islamists promise suicide bombers an afterlife of what? Partying and getting laid.

We are the last relics of a once-in-a-million-years mutation: a culture of self-reliance. The messy dregs you see about you are typically human. This is simply the jungle retaking the ruins. Nature. Be glad you got to see it before it was lost under the vines.

3 posted on 02/12/2008 6:09:42 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: rmlew

“But, as I gaze across the barren landscape of the Republican party, I can see only one guy who’s got any real ideas.

That would be you, Newt.” posted by: okie01

I’m inclined to agree. His baggage is no worse than the cleanest Dem, and he can point that out. What I don’t see is anyone who has the right stance across the spectrum of issues, who can communicate it, debate it, and sell it other than Newt. No one since Newt has been able to crystalize this set of qualities like Reagan.

The litmus test of true conservatism is whether the MSM holds you to a different standard.


4 posted on 02/12/2008 6:09:57 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: A_perfect_lady

And then the artificial intelligence of machines took over...


5 posted on 02/12/2008 6:11:21 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: rmlew

The pendulum swings one way, then another. All hope is not lost....perhaps delayed, but not lost.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 6:15:03 PM PST by Wingy
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To: DBCJR; rmlew
No. There is another - Yoda


7 posted on 02/12/2008 6:16:08 PM PST by FR Class of 1998 (I voted to defeat Hillary Clinton today!)
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To: rmlew

We lost when we let the liberals take over the education system.

Now they are so entrenched the only choice is to abandon it and hope that the homeschooled generations can carry the baton of civilisation.


8 posted on 02/12/2008 6:27:43 PM PST by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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It is mystifying to me that Barack Obama is rising like a rock star by proposing to solve the politics of hate and partisanship— which were implemented and carried out by his voting base.

It is surreal that this will be the basis of his victory.

Obama will allow his base to stop frothing at the mouth with their hatred of our Commander in Chief and our troops.

Wow! What a deal.

I still believe a huge strategic error has been made by conservatives that disaffiliated themselves with Bush. I think that made Obama’s coming route a rational ploy. Even conservatives don’t like Bush so Obama is doing everyone a favor by relieving this Bush of his command.

That is an absurd and hateful meme but for now it seems llikely to take the Democrats to the White House and historic high levels of control in the Senate and the House. Conservatives on these boards will largely not bat an eye because they consider Bush a traitor on the border.

I strongly disagree with the bashing this good President has gotten from partisans on both sides. I am no longer particularly impressed with what is deemed “conservative.” The enemy Bush confronted was more diabolical than the Nazis and is more diminished by his radical strategies than any known alternative.

Thank you George Bush.


9 posted on 02/12/2008 6:48:15 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Valpal1
"We lost when we let the liberals take over the education system."

That's certainly one of the biggest reasons. The NEA has wreaked incredible damage to our country and culture.

10 posted on 02/12/2008 7:00:27 PM PST by VR-21
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To: A_perfect_lady
The slacker generation is now of voting age and will put their bongs down and turn off their Playstations just long enough to cast a vote for Obama. Then off to their part-time job at Starbucks and McDs. Then back home to their mommys basement.
11 posted on 02/12/2008 7:12:18 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (Jorge Bush has a 90% approval rating--In Mexico.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

“Allow me to get very ethnocentric here:

It was a very special culture that created America. The rugged, do-it-yourself pioneer spirit was the result of a specific conjunction of individuality, pride, intelligence, and optimism that, frankly, is non-existent in most cultures.

Most cultures are tribal, collectivist, and have very limited goals: party and get laid. Even strict Islamists promise suicide bombers an afterlife of what? Partying and getting laid.

We are the last relics of a once-in-a-million-years mutation: a culture of self-reliance. The messy dregs you see about you are typically human. This is simply the jungle retaking the ruins. Nature. Be glad you got to see it before it was lost under the vines.”
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Yep. Now I’m depressed. The truth hurts.

And the author of the article is right. We didn’t do enough. It’s so much nicer to blame everyone else. I hate when that happens.


12 posted on 02/12/2008 7:22:12 PM PST by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: rmlew

We had no real conservatives run a good campaign. As a result, it looks like McCainiac will be a minority selected candidate.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 7:26:25 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: rmlew

Read “Atlas Shrugged”. It will cheer you up.


14 posted on 02/12/2008 7:30:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Valpal1

We also lost because the Rnc/Gop lost theyre way.We trusted them to do the right thing..


15 posted on 02/12/2008 7:36:49 PM PST by jd792 (love your country,but, never trust your government)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What we had instead was the Thompson charade. McCain’s buddy Fred did his job of sucking up all the air so that no conservative could gather a following, and a lot of good but foolish and unobservant people fell for it.

It is not an accident that conservatives don’t have a candidate. This is by design.

But there are still 9 months left before the election. We can stew about and sulk over it or we can put all that energy behind someone who is conservative and running for President. This is 2008. We’re not dependent on the media anymore to get the word out.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 8:22:21 PM PST by FR Class of 1998 (I voted to defeat Hillary Clinton today!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

To some extent, these traits were universally shared by all British Colonies. Aside from the US, traces remain in Australia.


17 posted on 02/12/2008 9:35:57 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: Wingy
The pendulum swings one way, then another. All hope is not lost....perhaps delayed, but not lost.
I see this more in terms of the Hegelian or Marxist Dialectic. We get a leftist thesis, a week and delayed conservative counter-thesis, and a synthesis moved further to the left.

We now have Obama and Hillary representing a new thesis, and we have no response. 4 or 8 years fro mnow, the Synthesis will be leftist.
18 posted on 02/12/2008 9:39:26 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: Valpal1
I understand taht desire. However, the left will still get your children if they watch TV, read popular magazines.
Far too many churches have become increasingly liberal.
19 posted on 02/12/2008 9:41:13 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: lonestar67
It is mystifying to me that Barack Obama is rising like a rock star by proposing to solve the politics of hate and partisanship— which were implemented and carried out by his voting base.
The message is vote for me and the culture war will be over. I will make the leftist victory palatable. And if you resist you are racist...

That is an absurd and hateful meme but for now it seems llikely to take the Democrats to the White House and historic high levels of control in the Senate and the House. Conservatives on these boards will largely not bat an eye because they consider Bush a traitor on the border.
1. The importation of millions of disaffected and inherently alienate future liberal voters and the Balkanization of America cannot be ignored.
2. Bush WOT is FUBAR. He refuesed to name the enemy at first and still refuses to understand it. He allows radical Islamists to control our security policy under the guise of PC. His "democratization" goal is allowing islamist to take power.
You want a Nazi analogy? Here's one. Amagin if instead of arresting all members of the German-American Bund FDR had made the FBI go through Bundist classes on German culture. Imagine that American school Children were taught about Wotan worship in glowing terms, and we spoke of Nazi-extremists and reached out to "moderate" Nazis instead of the German people.

Had it been a Democrat pushing these policies, we would all be screaming. But because it has been implemented by a Republican, we fall in line like lemmings.

20 posted on 02/12/2008 9:48:10 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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