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Vanity | 2/1/2008 | Richard Kimball

Posted on 02/01/2008 7:31:58 PM PST by Richard Kimball

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To: Richard Kimball; 2ndDivisionVet; littlehouse36; highball; Politicalmom; PGalt; elizabetty; ...
I'm pinging you because you posted on the thread "Dr. Dobson: I will never vote for John McCain" These are some of my thoughts about what's going on in the Republican Party right now. At this time, I'm not advocating conservatives support McCain, and I may be wrong about Romney being just about gone. However, I'm curious as to whether my thought process is valid, and would like feedback.

Thanks.

21 posted on 02/01/2008 8:48:06 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Richard Kimball

I wouldn’t fault you for voting for McCain in the general election. But my prediction, based on all the policy positions McCain has been espousing antithetical to free-market conservative principles, showing deference to liberals when drafting legislation, is of a disastrous administration. I’d rather the inevitable disaster be pinned on a Democrat. If it’s McCain it will be pinned on all Republicans in general. THAT will be the destruction of the party for years to come.


22 posted on 02/01/2008 8:48:55 PM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: San Jacinto
I am not voting for John McCain. Few conservatives will.

I'm pondering that myself. Rationalization though it may be, my thought is that I would vote against Hillery or Obama and not for McCain.

23 posted on 02/01/2008 8:48:55 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: Richard Kimball
Pat’s Culture War speech wasn’t bad at all although he went a little far in some sections. However, the idea that you couldn’t even participate if you didn’t fit a certain “European” criteria which creeped into his campaign was something else to me.
24 posted on 02/01/2008 8:52:32 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Richard Kimball

Many conservatives have tried to avoid criticism of Bush because he was at least nominally Republican. They have been polite. If elected, I doubt that McCain will receive such consideration. Both the right and the left will be after him from day one.


25 posted on 02/01/2008 8:52:53 PM PST by TChad
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To: Richard Kimball
I voted Perot in '92 out of spite, and we got Clinton.

This time I'm voting McCain, no matter what - I can't take another 8 years ...

26 posted on 02/01/2008 8:57:56 PM PST by 11th_VA (McCain would be the worst president - except for all the rest ...)
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To: Richard Kimball; SavannahJake; PaulZe; poobear; AKA Elena; Oshkalaboomboom; LikeLight; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

27 posted on 02/01/2008 9:01:40 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: tbpiper
This is what makes it a tough choice. The Republicans have been trying to slowly purge the conservatives and create the "big tent." Rick Perry announced as much through a representative at the McLennan County Republican Convention in 2004. The representative said, "The Republican Party is a big tent, and if you're so tied to your single issue that you can't accept those who disagree with you, then get out. We don't need you." Perry, of course, dropped from 58% of the vote in 2000 to 39% in 2006, but was still able to pull out a victory because the anti-Perry vote was split three ways.

I know the coalition can't continue to hold together much longer when the ONLY reason we have to vote for Republicans is that the Democrats are so much worse.

28 posted on 02/01/2008 9:02:44 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Richard Kimball
Most of the party hierarchy is moderate to liberal. They have tolerated the conservatives because they need them to win.

That's my sense of all this too. They think they've figured out how to win without us. We'll see.

29 posted on 02/01/2008 9:05:18 PM PST by LikeLight (Is There a Lawyer in the Church? Click my profile...)
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To: Richard Kimball

“This time, there is no leader”

On Wednesday night, at the debate, I saw in Mitt Romney a man who can lead. This may not be his year, but he has a future.

Mark Levin is another with leader potential. Not as a politician, but as an inspiring force.

Rush’s mission seems to have shifted from conservative leader to media warrior.

Just some thoughts. Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 02/01/2008 9:05:25 PM PST by littlehouse36 (TAX the hand that feeds you.)
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To: TChad
If elected, I doubt that McCain will receive such consideration. Both the right and the left will be after him from day one.

I will be one of them. I will do everything I can to elect a republican conservative opposition to obstruct this mentally unbalanced angry man

Regards

31 posted on 02/01/2008 9:05:29 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: LikeLight

“That’s my sense of all this too. They think they’ve figured out how to win without us.”

They are hedging their bets that security moms like me will hold their noses and vote McCain in November. They are correct.


32 posted on 02/01/2008 9:07:21 PM PST by littlehouse36 (TAX the hand that feeds you.)
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To: Richard Kimball

I was a fan of Pat Buchanan’s for a few months. But it gradually became more and more evident that he was a nut case. In fact, I first began getting the clue when I had lunch with an associate editor of First Things around the time of the New Hampshire primary. I learned that they had looked at Pat. They were troubled by the accusations of antisemitism and went to their Jewish connections, who are not ADL types but sensible conservatives who work with Catholics and Protestants toward restoring religion in the public square. Not one of them was willing to support Pat, and it turned out that they were right.

I don’t think that can be said of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and James Dobson in their comments about McCain. They are NOT nut cases, although occasionally they can go astray (but Rush does so very seldom). What they have said about McCain, however, happens to be true.

If anyone is a nutcase here on the order of Pat Buchanan, it is McCain.


33 posted on 02/01/2008 9:13:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JimSEA

I liked a lot of the culture war speech, and didn’t think that was what hurt him. Over time, the racial overtones and the meanness just bled through. For a guy that has spent as much of his life on camera as Buchanan, he seemed to have no idea how to present himself in media to win people over. He did one photo op that didn’t get as much play, but in my opinion was as bad as the Dukakis tank moment. Someone had given him a rifle, and he put on some hat that looked like the one Walter Brennan wore in the old westerns. He always wore his pants too high, and he looked like a bootlegger from the Andy Griffith show.


34 posted on 02/01/2008 9:21:56 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Cicero
You've brought up something else about McCain that I hadn't thought about. Aside from the personal animosity, etc., there are a LOT of people that have questions about McCain's sanity.

On the plus side, if McCain is the candidate, win or lose, we've got an open field in 2012. McCain would be 76 by then, and he is NOT in the same shape that Reagan was at his age.

My first clue about Buchanan's anti-semitism was when he started talking about the middle East. Although he couched his arguments in terms of isolationism, it was obvious there were unstated reasons, and those reasons turned out to be problems with Israel, and that the problems went beyond politics.

35 posted on 02/01/2008 9:31:16 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: narses

Thanks for pinging my post to your list.


36 posted on 02/01/2008 9:32:32 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: San Jacinto; Richard Kimball
I am not voting for John McCain. Few conservatives will.

There is no shortage of comments like that here on FR. But the data show otherwise. The following is from a recent Pew poll. (All numbers in the boxes are percentages.)


37 posted on 02/01/2008 9:53:59 PM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: Richard Kimball
In 2006 they went nowhere. They stayed home and the Republicans got creamed.

This is factually incorrect. Turnout for conservatives was fairly high.

38 posted on 02/01/2008 9:55:43 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Richard Kimball

If voting were mandatory and John McCain were the only candidate on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him.


39 posted on 02/01/2008 9:59:15 PM PST by TBP
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To: freespirited

Big deal...November is a long time away. I will never vote for McCain and neither will many other conservatives. They don’t need us, well let’s see how well they do without us.


40 posted on 02/01/2008 11:02:24 PM PST by bushinohio
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