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Why media conservatives hate John McCain
Gloria Romanorum Blog ^ | 1-30-08 | Florentius

Posted on 01/30/2008 2:22:39 PM PST by Antoninus

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To: Antoninus

You seem like a really sharp fellow, how about this theory?.....If McCain is willing to impose the “fairness “ doctrine on talk radio, which is nothing more that gov’t imposing speech controls, and Romney is not (in fact no other Republican anywhere has suggested as much), then .. could it be.. for example.. that McCain is more LIBERAL than Romney?!! Could it, huh? Is it possible? Given his sucking up to liberals across the board on almost everything else? And his absolute antipathy to conservatives in general? (antipathy means hatred, BTW).


21 posted on 01/31/2008 11:29:37 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Antoninus

Bush signed CFR, stupidly believing the SCOTUS would do its job and quash the thing, as it is so in the face of 1A that how could they not?

Well, they did, as government employees are wont to do.

W’s a rotten conservative, and I’ve said so many time here. I’ll also say this though: in comparison, any of the people running for the WH are going to make W look like Reagan, and probably like Churchill for his stand on the war.

The UK right now is LIVING this in the form of Gordon Brown. He’s the pasty, even more liberal, version of Barack Obama over there, and in less than a year he’s signed away the UK’s sovereignty, even to the point of removing the seal of the UK from the pound coin.

Our party was done in by Hastert, Frisk AND W. All the spending and the explosion in Gov’t.

I think Rush is doing the right thing and letting the party twist. As for the rest of them, they were pimps anyway. Hannity became to terrible to listen to about two years ago.

Rush, and Mark Levin (his recent endorsement of Romney notwithstanding) seem to be the only sane talkers left.


22 posted on 01/31/2008 12:09:45 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Antoninus
I myself would like to see Duncan Hunter come back in with the support of the new media,we probably won't win but we will setup the demise of monopoly of the Janus party system.
23 posted on 01/31/2008 12:10:40 PM PST by bonehead4freedom (Where's the conservative candidate?)
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At least Romney had an excuse (i.e. having to deal with Democrats who outnumbered his party 3 to 1) and has been moving toward the conservative ideology.

McCain has total disdain for conservatives and openly admits it and has been gradually moving away from them. I’d rather take my chances on the guy who is moving towards my beliefs than to the guy who hates my beliefs.


24 posted on 01/31/2008 12:13:55 PM PST by VegasBaby (No way to McStain)
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To: Antoninus
But at least with McCain, you know what you're getting and we can gear up for a serious fight after he gets elected.

The same could be said about Hillary. Should "media conservatives" get behind her?

25 posted on 01/31/2008 12:29:42 PM PST by Sloth (I feel real bad for deaf people, cause they have no way of knowing when microwave popcorn is done.)
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To: holdonnow

ping


26 posted on 01/31/2008 12:32:17 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Antoninus

Ok. So you believe, in essence, that it’s all about money?

Wow.


27 posted on 01/31/2008 12:38:34 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: B4Ranch
The way McCain handled the MIA/POW families in the years since that war ended makes me ill to no end... McCain is a Traitor in my book! For others on this forum who know not of what we speak, I'll post a section from one of your links that nails him as the hateful, lying, P.O.S. he truly is!

From the POW/MIA Hearings:

Confrontation with witness One such witness was Dolores Apodaca Alfond, chairwoman of the National Alliance of Families, an all-volunteer MIA organization. Her pilot brother, Capt. Victor J. Apodaca, out of the Air Force Academy, was shot down over Dong Hoi, North Vietnam, in the early evening of June 8, 1967. At least one person in the two-man plane survived. Beeper signals from a pilot's distress radio were picked up by overhead helicopters, but the cloud cover was too heavy to go in. Hanoi has recently turned over some bone fragments that are supposed to be Apodaca's. The Pentagon first declared the fragments to be animal bones. But now it is telling the family -- verbally -- that they came from the pilot. But the Pentagon, for unexplained reasons, will not put this in writing, which means Apodaca is still unaccounted for. Also the Pentagon refuses to give Alfond a sample of the fragments so she can have testing done by an independent laboratory.

Alfond's testimony, at a hearing of the POW/MIA committee Nov. 11, 1992, was revealing. She pleaded with the committee not to shut down in two months, as scheduled, because so much of its work was unfinished. Also, she was critical of the committee, and in particular Kerry and McCain, for having "discredited the overhead satellite symbol pictures, arguing there is no way to be sure that the [distress] symbols were made by U.S. POWs." She also criticized them for similarly discounting data from special sensors, shaped like a large spike with an electronic pod and an antenna, that were airdropped to stick in the ground along the Ho Chi Minh trail.

These devices served as motion detectors, picking up passing convoys and other military movements, but they also had rescue capabilities. Specifically, someone on the ground -- a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor detail -- could manually enter data into the sensor pods. Alfond said the data from the sensor spikes, which was regularly gathered by Air Force jets flying overhead, had showed that a person or persons on the ground had manually entered into the sensors -- as U.S. pilots had been trained to do -- "no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 U.S. POWs who were lost in Laos."

Other than the panel's second co-chairman, Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., not a single committee member attended this public hearing. But McCain, having been advised of Alfond's testimony, suddenly rushed into the room to confront her. His face angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making "allegations ... that are patently and totally false and deceptive." Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: "And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people's [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours."

Brought to tears By this time, tears were running down Alfond's cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: "The family members have been waiting for years -- years! And now you're shutting down." He kept interrupting her. She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults. He kept talking over her words. He said she was accusing him and others of "some conspiracy without proof, and some cover-up." She said she was merely seeking "some answers. That is what I am asking." He ripped into her for using the word "fiasco." She replied: "The fiasco was the people that stepped out and said we have written the end, the final chapter to Vietnam." "No one said that," he shouted. "No one said what you are saying they said, Ms. Alfond." And then, his face flaming pink, he stalked out of the room, to shouts of disfavor from members of the audience.

As with most of McCain's remarks to Alfond, the facts in his closing blast at her were incorrect. Less than three weeks earlier, on Oct. 23, 1992, in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden, President Bush -- with John McCain standing beside him -- said: "Today, finally, I am convinced that we can begin writing the last chapter in the Vietnam War."

The committee did indeed, as Alfond said they planned to do, shut down two months after the hearing.

'Cannot discuss it'

As for her description of the motion sensor evidence about prisoners in Laos, McCain's response at the hearing was that this data was in a 1974 report that the committee had read but was still classified, so "I cannot discuss it here. ... We hope to get it declassified."

Tragic! McCain is a man with no honor. Hero??? Not from what his fellow POWS say!

28 posted on 01/31/2008 1:05:52 PM PST by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: Antoninus

I haven’t listened to talk radio in over ten years, and I came to the conclusion long ago that McCain can’t be trusted. He has vindicated this conclusion many times.


29 posted on 01/31/2008 7:30:53 PM PST by oblomov
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To: SE Mom
Ok. So you believe, in essence, that it’s all about money? Wow.

What, you think the conservative talkers do it all for purely altruistic reasons? They donate their paychecks to charity?

I don't begrudge them their pay. They are in a market that pays big bucks for what they do and if the market is willing to pay them that much, that's good enough for me.

But as I said above, if their primary motivation for supporting Romney is because they fear for their livelihoods, then let them say that. Otherwise, their positively venomous attacks on McCain, who less liberal than Flip on almost every issue (at least if you go by record, rather than rhetoric), make no sense at all.
30 posted on 01/31/2008 8:58:17 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Flip Romney)
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To: bonehead4freedom
I myself would like to see Duncan Hunter come back in with the support of the new media,we probably won't win but we will setup the demise of monopoly of the Janus party system.

The fact that guys like Rush and Hannity supported Rudy Giuliani--a total and complete liberal--still boggles my mind. Even better, they didn't support a solid conservative like Duncan Hunter who ended up with exactly the same number of delegates as Rudy and spent 4% of what Rudy did on his campaign.

Imagine what the race would look like if these guys had come out hard and strong for someone like Duncan Hunter in January of 2007.

I'm majorly PO'd at the so-called conservative media bigs right now.
31 posted on 01/31/2008 9:05:06 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Flip Romney)
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To: oblomov
I haven’t listened to talk radio in over ten years, and I came to the conclusion long ago that McCain can’t be trusted. He has vindicated this conclusion many times.

I'm no fan of McCain either. But Romney is even less trustworthy.

That's why I'm stuck voting for Huckabee on Tuesday.
32 posted on 01/31/2008 9:06:36 PM PST by Antoninus (I won't flip for Mitt. I won't follow McCain down the drain. So I'm stuck with Huck!)
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