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The FairTax Promotes Economic Equality by Thomas Davis
InsideVandy.com ^ | 13 January 2008 | Thomas Davis

Posted on 01/14/2008 6:51:54 AM PST by K-oneTexas

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To: camle

Are you meaning the Democrat definition of rich - anyone making over 50K per year - or some other definition ?


41 posted on 01/14/2008 8:19:23 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Always Right

Why would employees take a cut in pay ? An employee now, whether they realize it or not, is “paying” 15.2% in FICA taxes off their wages. That’s 7.6% they can see, and another 7.2% they don’t. Employees, by definition, will become 15.2% less expensive to the employer without changing the employee’s take home pay in the slightest. Then add back the % taken out for federal taxes, and the employee will actually get an increase.


42 posted on 01/14/2008 8:22:30 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cake_crumb

How do you figure - would end up not paying FICA tax, federal withholding, and you’d be 7.2% cheaper for your employer. You would get a raise in your paycheck right off the bat.


43 posted on 01/14/2008 8:24:06 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: K-oneTexas; ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; ...

Fair Tax ping!


44 posted on 01/14/2008 8:25:49 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: SAJ
Prices stable? That's the howler of the year.
We aren't supposed to notice those things when there's a Republican President.
45 posted on 01/14/2008 8:28:10 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: SAJ

You conflate taxes and inflation ?

You, my FRiend, need to go look up the definition of inflation - that ain’t it.


46 posted on 01/14/2008 8:28:29 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Turbopilot

Same.


47 posted on 01/14/2008 8:29:21 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Good for Hunter. I wish he’d done better.

And you have things backwards. Our current income tax system is the Marxist one. (Does that make those who cheerlead for it Marxists?) Consumption taxes were favored by our founding fathers and produced most of our free Republic’s income for much of its existence.


48 posted on 01/14/2008 8:32:28 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: gitmogrunt

So... does a 30+% marginal tax rate on income mean that all of those people are currently working under the table for cash?


49 posted on 01/14/2008 8:32:42 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cinives
Why would employees take a cut in pay ?

???? I said they won't take a pay cut, which means prices are gonna rise if you understand how 'embedded taxes' were defined. "Embedded taxes" that the fairtax study talked about included employee paid taxes. Now the fairtaxers in their press releases don't tell you that.

50 posted on 01/14/2008 8:36:53 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Turbopilot

no I don’t.

It is not one is and the other isn’t. The Fair Tax Scam is just more explicitly marxist.

Read H.R. 25 as located at http://wwww.thomas.gov

Read the from each to each BS underpinings, read the draconian registration requiremetns to participate in ANY ecconomic kind of life legally, read the invasive record and bookkepping requirements...

it is all there is comrade black and white letters.

Your assumption is dead wrong just as both are dead wrong for the USA.


51 posted on 01/14/2008 8:39:28 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: In veno, veritas
Regarding both posts 32 and 33:

1) The Federal Reserve have no control over tax policy, period. To mention them in a tax discussion is the most crimson of red herrings.

2) If you think the Fed are principally responsible for the current price instability, you've cleared failed Econ 101, probably several times. Markets are working properly just now, seeking their clearing levels, although we probably don't much like the rapidity with which they're doing so. The Fed are players in this game only to the extent that they expand the money supply faster than commodities can be produced.

Far greater villains in the instability are the Regress and Mr. Bush, for their meddling in mkts. Ethanol as a mass-mkt motor fuel (subsidised, of course)? What a joke. Dairy price compacts with which to buy votes (mostly in blue states, what a shock). Universal tagging of livestock. Changes in long-standing mining law. Increasing restrictions on energy production. Compared to these and other idiocies, the Fed's role is comparatively benign.

3) I should look up ''ceteris paribus'', eh? Quo usque tandem abutere, InVenoVeritas, patientia nostra?

4) 'Irregardless' is a substandard form. Perhaps you meant 'irrespective'.

5) BTW, the phrase is 'In vino, veritas', from Horace.

6) To assert that, if one does not like your pet scheme, one must therefore 'like' the current tax regime. This is defined in logic as a pure non sequitur (look it up). One can easily despise the current tax structure AND find your scheme worse still.

7) All in all, just about the type of bilge I've come to expect from 'fair' taxers.

52 posted on 01/14/2008 8:43:56 AM PST by SAJ
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To: longtermmemmory

So you prefer federal witholding, which effectively hides taxes from people, and allows the gov’t to promote refunds of your own money as a windfall ?

Or you like the FICA tax - 7.2% obvious, another 7.2% paid by the employer, who undoubtedly pays you less as a result.

From my perspective as a person who sees all sides of tax transactions - if I don’t pay 15.2% in FICA taxes, then that means my effective federal tax rate comparison would only be 7.8% - a helluva lot less than I pay now.

For me, and for everyone else, just based on the numbers the Fair tax has me paying a whole lot less in taxes than I do now.


53 posted on 01/14/2008 8:49:35 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Turbopilot
It is not purely inflationary of itself; it is inflationary in the behaviour it will introduce into (or encourage)in the mktplace.

It is purely inflationary of itself regarding any contracts that tie wages or purchases to any price index. Wage agreements, I should think, would be more directly affected, but we would have to see how exactly this would play out. (C'mon mate, that should go w/o saying.)

Of course, if enough people get sick of a 'fair' tax regime, it might become somewhat deflationary, as people go outside the regime and are forced to discount prices as a condition of doing business and not getting caught.

54 posted on 01/14/2008 8:53:11 AM PST by SAJ
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To: K-oneTexas

We’ve got a constitutional amendment for the income tax, therefore, we’d have to have a constitutional amendment to change that and put the fair tax in place, right? And if you think that’d take place....well...LOL...


55 posted on 01/14/2008 8:53:26 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Always Right

Your logic still does not make sense.

How will product prices go up when employers/employees stop paying FICA ?

From my perspective as a small business owner, I’d be able to give better deals to customers if I’m paying 15.2% less on employee wages.


56 posted on 01/14/2008 8:53:36 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: SAJ

Go look up the definition of inflation. It is a purely monetary phenomenon, as Friedman and von Mises pointed out.


57 posted on 01/14/2008 8:56:22 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives
How will product prices go up when employers/employees stop paying FICA ?

Excluding Employee paid taxes, there is only 7% embedded taxes in the cost of goods. Now add a 30% sales tax on the item, and poof, prices go up roughly 20%. As far as wages, your costs are reduced 7.625% since the other 7.625% comes from the gross pay of the employee. The employer will only see half of the savings.

58 posted on 01/14/2008 8:59:07 AM PST by Always Right
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To: lewislynn

I trade futures options, m’friend. Have to be bloody blind not to see this price behaviour, sheesh!


59 posted on 01/14/2008 9:01:13 AM PST by SAJ
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To: cinives

Just look at what the fairtax does to rents. If you have a $1000 per month lease, when the fairtax is implemented, you will then be liable for an additional $298.70 each month. You rent just went up 29.87%. You might not call that inflation, but to the person paying it, it is.


60 posted on 01/14/2008 9:05:19 AM PST by Always Right
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