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Ron Paul Says Surge Failed, & We Lost In Southern Iraq
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Posted on 11/28/2007 10:06:46 PM PST by vaper69

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To: elhombrelibre
That could be changed rather quickly with a well deserved purge of Paulestinians.
21 posted on 11/30/2007 10:50:02 AM PST by End Times Crusader (!!!!!!!!!ELECT RON PAUL AS PRESIDENT OR THE WORLD WILL END!!!!!!!!!)
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To: mommya
I thought he said that the violence was down in the south cuz Al Sadr had the region controlled and that’s why the Brits were able to pull out?

Well, what would be wrong with that, in Paul's view? If Paul's criticism is "Sadr's militia has a hand in enforcing social order in parts XYZ of Iraq, and that's bad, and we should stop it, but since we haven't, that means we've lost", then Paul contradicts himself. After all, Paul doesn't think we have the right to say anything either way about how social order is enforced in Iraq. Right?

22 posted on 12/02/2007 9:33:44 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Jet Jaguar
I think he actually said violence was down because the Brits moved out and the Sadr army moved in.

Which is bad in Paul's view because ____? (see my prev. post)

23 posted on 12/02/2007 9:34:23 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: vaper69

Didn’t you get the memo? Ron Paul is the only candidate who stands for those time honored and important American values and GOP virtues like ‘isolationism, defeat, surrender, and betraying the troops’.


24 posted on 12/02/2007 9:37:10 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: vaper69
The man has a lot of Republican supporters though eNews Reference Directory of News around the world.
25 posted on 12/02/2007 9:51:23 AM PST by enewsreference (http://www.enewsreference.com)
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To: Allegra

” The violence is significantly down all over Iraq. What’s Paul’s leftist-mantra excuse for the huge drop in incidents in Anbar Province? In Baghdad? In Mosul? In Tal Afar? I could go on, but you get my drift.”

I agree that the violence is down all over Iraq but would you care to specifically state why? And down by what measure? Compared to last year, two years ago or what? Are the reasons the same for every area? And at what point do we leave declaring victory?


26 posted on 12/03/2007 4:03:35 PM PST by JediHal (DON"T PANIC! (from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"))
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To: corlorde; Allegra
Not only is Ron Paul losing his grip on reality, he may be downright dangerous.

RINO Paul and Kucinich are easily two of the most dangerous people to run for president in decades.

27 posted on 12/03/2007 4:06:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: vaper69

I agree that the overall violence in Iraq is down but consider the following:

- “Basra violence is down by 90%” That’s great but did the US surge have anything to do with it?

* Violence in Iraq is down by 50%.
* Civilian casualties in Iraq are down by 60%.
* Baghdad casualties are down by 75%.
* Terrorist attacks in Iraq are down by 80%.
* IED attacks down by 55%.
* Average daily attacks down by 42%.

- What are these numbers based upon? What time frame?

- How is the political situation progressing? If all the factions cannot agree on some long-term solution then what was the surge all about? Will it have been worth it?

- How much have we paid faction leaders and warlords to help us fight Al Qeada? Where will there loyalties be when we (and our arms and money) leave?

Those are just a few questions that need to be answered before we declare any sort of victory via the surge.


28 posted on 12/03/2007 4:58:09 PM PST by JediHal (DON"T PANIC! (from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"))
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To: JediHal
Answer a question for me first before I answer any of yours.

Are you anti-war?

29 posted on 12/03/2007 10:48:50 PM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Allegra

“Answer a question for me first before I answer any of yours.

Are you anti-war?”

Being “anti-war” or “pro-war” is absolutely irrelevant based on the questions I posed. I am however anti-ill-conceived-and-poorly-executed foreign policy, but see the following post for more info.


30 posted on 12/04/2007 6:58:12 PM PST by JediHal (DON"T PANIC! (from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"))
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To: Allegra

“Answer a question for me first before I answer any of yours.

Are you anti-war?”

You need to be more specific. Do you mean “anti-war” all the time, or “anti-war” when it disagrees with your views or what you see as justified?

I am a retired helicopter pilot from the US Army with 26 years’ service. I served during Desert Shield/Desert Storm so I am quite familiar with war. I also have liason experience with NATO, DIA/CIA, and SOCOM in the areas of intelligence gathering and estimates as well as nuclear, biological and chemical warfare.

The following link provided in the blog answered only one question, but only partially:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=48184

“...IED attacks have dropped 55 percent from their high in June. The average daily attacks are down 42 percent. “That is really good news,” Meigs said. “This is coincident with the surge.” The overall peak in June and July of this year, and IED attacks have been dropping steadily ever since.”

The rest of my questions are not answered by the chart or the included link.


31 posted on 12/04/2007 6:58:33 PM PST by JediHal (DON"T PANIC! (from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"))
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To: JediHal
You need to be more specific. Do you mean “anti-war” all the time, or “anti-war” when it disagrees with your views or what you see as justified?

I've just made a decision: This conversation is over. I just don't have time to play this.

Thank you for your service.

32 posted on 12/05/2007 4:00:46 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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