Posted on 11/08/2007 8:40:10 AM PST by Lorianne
the father wants this to reinforce the divorce.
Chop the penis, chop the wife out of the boys life.
It is pure and sickening manipulation.
There is ZERO legitimate medical research to support this stunt. If anything the judge should issue an order specifically preventing the husband from pulling this manure.
>>Generally until 13 or a child is NOT consulted for residential decisions and there is no reason to have the judge take the child’s testimony.
The issue here is NOT RELIGION, the issue here is the father attempting to exclude the mother from the boy’s life.
The father might as well be asking for a “I hate mommy” tatto for the boy.<<
1. The father has custody
2. I don’t understand how they can cut off part of a boy’s body and not consult him.
3. Bad judge.
religious custody is a significant issue in the family courts.
Often it just involves a clause that says “you will not disparage each other’s religion” and the child will be free to experience both religions.
The MOTHER did not even get a hearing from the judge!
Just “too bad so sad, no day to prove your case.”
If this story is correct as to that then this judge is TRULY insane.
In this case, the father is advocating circumcision as a "Jewish thing." As for the "health reasons," I think they are completely bogus, and so do many medical practitioners today. The foreskin is there to prevent infection, and to maintain sensitivity of the glans. If it were a serious health risk to have a foreskin, it would long ago have been eliminated from the human population by natural selection.
Circumcision may seem less extreme than female genital mutilation, but in both cases, as much sensitive, pleasure-yielding tissue is removed as possible without completely destroying reproductive function.
As for your Army hospital...medicine did many stupid and counterproductive things in the past. Circumcision was almost universal when I was born, but is rapidly declining in prevalence, thank goodness.
I think the child is old enough to have a say in the matter.
How about the 12-year-old?
When I was his age, anybody trying to do this to me would had to have brought a gun!
He’s 12, good grief, ASK HIM!
I think you need to read up on the medical benefits, which are substantial, especially (but not only) in terms of STDs.
However, nobody should even be considering doing this to a 12 year old unless he’s completely enthusiastic about it.
Well, we are about to find out if the US is a paternal, or maternal, culture.
At this age, it has to be done as a medical procedure, by a doctor, regardless of what ritual trappings are added to the scene. I’m having trouble picturing any doctor willing to do this on an UNwilling 12 year old, much less any doctor retaining his medical license after doing so.
Just like The Appendix.
But the parents, by their own admission, aren't making a medical decision for the kid. It's religious in nature. Which means the kid should get a say in this matter.
If there is an overriding medical reason for the procedure, then that's a different story.
What exactly is the reasonong behind Jewish people doing this?
I don’t generally approve of the courts interceding against parental decisions unless they are extreme. In this intance I do think the decision touches on the young man’s self-image, and it could have a very negative outcome if the young man disagreed with his dad.
If the father has converted, that is his personal choice. Circumcising a kid at 12 years of age shouldn’t be. It must be the child’s decision, and one that is based on a methodical process over time. It shouldn’t be a decision made in the moment that he could later look back on as a serious mistake. If he is solidly on board under these parameters, I see no problem at all.
I do think an unbiased third party should be involved in this evaluation. Obviuosly the mom and dad aren’t going to resolve this on their own. I’m not even sure an unbiased individual could be found to help with this, or even multiples of people.
This isn’t going to be easily resolved IMO. I don’t see the grown-ups accepting that a twelve year old young man has made a sound decision, if he has opted to go through with this. And the kid could be justifiably and soundly in favor of it.
She could have just killed the lad WITHOUT THE HUSBAND’S CONSENT in the womb. Now cutting off some penis skin is a big problem? Find your place, woman, and on with the cutting.
“unless he’s completely enthusiastic about it.”
I doubt you’re going to have many takers.
I can remember when Drs. would merrily remove tonsils and adenoids at the drop of a hat, before anyone really knew what those organs were for. Now, I think they are believed to be important in immune function. Circumcision on healthy people is unnecessary surgery, which makes it unethical for any doctor to do. No surgery is risk-free, and it's definitely a complete myth that the foreskin is a relic which has no function. After several hundred million years of evolution, there is darn little on the human body which has no function!
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