I like where your heads at.
Posted on 09/22/2007 8:03:54 AM PDT by beltfed308
ST. GEORGE — A police officer who was recorded berating a motorist earlier this month has lost his job.
The board of aldermen voted 5-0, with one member absent, to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein on Monday. The vote was cast in a session closed to the public and wasn't announced until Wednesday, when a notice was posted at the City Hall of this tiny south St. Louis County community.
In a video that got wide viewership on the Internet, Kuehnlein taunts and threatens motorist Brett Darrow, 20, sometimes shouting and using profanity, after questioning him in a commuter lot near Interstate 55. Darrow posted the footage of the Sept. 7 incident on the web.
(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...
Never seen a thread pulled back as far as I can remember
In the remarkably efficient Orwellian world of the Internet, there is no Bill of Indictment, no peer review, no trial by jury, just a small group of people (Star Chamber perhaps?) who decide based on "private property rights"
I can almost guarantee the people who were arguing the Brett Darrow case did not complain about the use of disparaging language against Mr. Darrow.
I have said before,and I will repeat here- history is filled with techniques and protocols to ensure orderly, civil debate.
Most Internet Moderators seem to be unaware of any of them.
If you write or see something of interest, capture it in your personal archives because it may be gone in a flash.
The appeal to a higher power comes during fund raising campaigns when you remind the powers-that-be actions have consequences.
Best regards,
i notice the post that was opened with this update was pulled because of “flamewar”.
I like where your heads at.
Me neither. But it never hurts to ask.
A cop getting shot isn't a criminal act perpetrated upon them? Ok, maybe when it's from another SWAT team rambo wannae be partner who's too trigger happy it isn't....
when cops get shot, they are usually attempting to stop a crime from happening to another person, during a car-stop, a domestic disturbance, come upon a property crime by happenstance, hear shots being fired and run towards the shots, etc...
the original crime is usually not being perpetrated upon the police officer, per se.
We used to be against random stops and request to 'see your papers please' for no reason. The times they are a changing.
What are you some kind of fortune teller???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1906446/posts
Good riddance to bad trash.
Dream on.
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“and i would have been nice and polite about it. the kid wants to agitate, fine. but i’m going to do my job to the letter.”
THAT is the issue, and if it had been handled that way I would tend to agree. A nice and polite officer can make their point very effectively in the way you describe if a point needs to be made and have no problem at all later, taped or whatever. I don’t think you would find any but the most biased posters on this thread having a problem for a cop *politely* proceeding to cite the kid for whatever list of real equipment problems after the kid mouthed off., finished with ‘have a good night, sir.’
That’s funny, I thought that uttering threats and threatening behaviour were criminal offenses. I was also under the impression that the constabulary tended to frown on prevarication.
Oh yeah, this is a police officer we are discussing: they don’t have to obey the same laws the rest of us do.
Listen to yourself, FRiend. The contradictions are staggering.
Trying to play this scenario out in my mind, the thing that bothers me is that if this cop really had suspicions about this person, he should not have approached the vehicle as he did. He either believed it was a routine motor vehicle matter (I doubt it.) or he was just trying to roust a kid (my money is on this one.) or he is a dumb rookie who stupidly placed his life on the line (obviously not, though he acted like it).
At this time of night in a bad neighborhood and I have real suspicions, I’d follow the protocol for a felony stop and get backup first.
I think you’re right: a young man outsmarted a thug, and RP can’t stand to think that there could very well be another one out there waiting for HIM!
At least this young man had the tools to deal with the bad apple fairly. When I was his age, one of my casual associates literally blew himself and 4 cops to hell for the cops having the same attitude as this officer and RP. The cops used to pull over any male from 16 to 25 for no reason at any time, and detain us/them for up to 2 hours. Driving home from work, driving to work, out on a date, didn’t matter, the cops had to let us know who was boss.
There was a HUGE investigation, and guess what, a good portion of the traffic department was fired for abuse of authority.
Most people stop digging when they find themselves in a hole. Many here have had similar strongly negative experiences with Officer Friendly. It tends to color one’s perceptions.
As for the presence of a police band scanner: I have one, my dad has several, and many of my friends have them. They are handy for finding out where accidents and traffic snarls are so they can be avoided, etc. It’s also kind of interesting to listen when someone you know gets pulled over. I have given my neighbour a hard time more than once for what I heard over the scanner.
There is also the inconvenient (for statists) fact that the police broadcasts, radios, and airwaves just happen to BELONG to the people of the United States, and additionally, since those same radio waves are travelling through the very BODIES of the public, all citizens have the right to listen to them, since they OWN them. (see US Constitution, all rights not listed herein are reserved to the several states or the PEOPLE)
Another inconvenient fact is that there are court decisions that state plainly that “if the police choose to use surreptitious and clandestine means of surveillance, the citizenry has every right to use whatever means to discover such.” That means that radar detectors are legal too.
Don
“That’s funny, I thought that uttering threats and threatening behavior were criminal offenses. I was also under the impression that the constabulary tended to frown on prevarication.”
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I don’t agree that it is right.. I do think the evidence shows it is not illegal for law enforcement to really push the envelope to behave as he did.
If he had in fact committed a crime on video I find it hard to believe he would not have been prosecuted with so much public attention being paid to the issue. That he was not is telling and supports my contention that the law should be refined to specifically prohibit that form of conduct.. I still maintain the Officer was “let go” in order to cover up the legality of his conduct variations of which are commonly practiced all the time. Practices which LE does not want to change.
W
I was’t sure if I should start a new thread, but wanted to give you guys the conclusion to this story.
I have agreed to settle my civil rights lawsuit. Of course, as part of the agreement they said I can’t say anything about it other than what they say in public. Lets just say I’m satisfied...
St. George, known as a speed trap, opts for patrols by county police
FROM STAFF REPORTS
01/17/2009
St. George — St. Louis County police will begin patrolling the streets of St. George starting next month, county officials said Friday.
The city will become the 17th to contract with the county. St. George officials voted unanimously in favor of the five-year contract for 24-hour police service, according to St. Louis County police.
St. George is the town of about 1,500 where a man in 2007 recorded a police officer’s tirade on a commuter lot near Interstate 55. The video, posted online, briefly put the south St. Louis County community in the spotlight.
The tape caught a St. George sergeant yelling, berating the motorist and threatening to arrest the man on fictional charges. The man said he put a video recorder in this car after previous run-ins with police. The sergeant was later fired.
Before that, the town was known, if at all, as a speed trap off Reavis Barracks Road west of Interstate 55.
Mayor Heather Hediger said six of St. George’s seven officers are applying to join the county force but they would not be policing St. George.
St. Louis County police said residents and business owners would get a letter in the coming days explaining the change. An open house also is planned.
Here is the mayor on TV talking about it as well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2399325742831738837&hl=en
Good on you, Brett. It’s good to hear from you how things worked out. Be careful out there. They’ll never forget how you embarrassed them.
Looks like Brett has had some personal experience previously with "good cops".
Hope he didn't violate any agreements by stating/broadcasting this statement.
Looks like Brett has had some personal experience previously with "good cops".
Hope he didn't violate any agreements by stating/broadcasting this statement.
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