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To: RachelFaith
If you TRULY want to end abortion, rather than just talk about it, you'll think about which Republican candidate can actually get elected President, not just who is the most anti-abortion, or whose legislative ideas match yours the best.

Because of the decision of the Supreme Court, in Roe-v-Wade, all laws against abortion were struck down. As a result, we've had, for all intents and purposes, abortion for any reason at any time in the pregnancy, since 1973. It took a few years and a lot of media propaganda about the 'right to choose', but there was, for a while, a majority of folks who agreed with the media.

Then along came Operation Rescue, and people began to see that the media had been lying to them all along. Pro-lifers were not rabid, anti-female men who just wanted to force women to have as many babies as they possibly could. There were all kinds of folks in the pro-life movement; men, women, young and old, and they began being heard past the media filters. As a result of that, and also as a result of what folks were seeing young women who had bought into the lie go through, as a result of their abortions, their hearts and minds began to change.

Unfortunately, there are still many selfish people in this country who will never want to go back, but we do have the chance to save a lot more babies than are being saved today. If Roe-v-Wade can be overturned, the issue will go back to the states. At that point, we pro-lifers have a golden opportunity to make our case directly to the voters in our states, and may just change even more hearts and minds. We may never get to the point where all babies can be saved because most states' voters will require that exceptions be made in the case of rape, incest, or if the mother's life is in danger, but that will stop about 98% of all abortions in those states. That is a far better situation than we are in today. And who knows, after a few years of that, we may even get to the point in this country where folks are ready to support a Human Life Amendment, but that is many years off. We have a lot of work to do before then.

What Fred Thompson is proposing is that important first step of overturning Roe-v Wade, but that won't happen unless there is a Republican in the Presidency to appoint justices who will do just that.

By snubbing candidates who don't feel like jumping to the tune of Values Voters or any other self appointed arbiters, and even considering sitting out the race, or even worse, voting third party, that possibility will be lost, probably forever, because the next President will have the opportunity to appoint 2 or even 3 justices to the Supremes. If that person is a Democrat, you can kiss any restrictions on abortion goodbye, and you can expect court challenges to any state laws banning homosexual marriage, and those laws will likely be struck down by a liberal court. If you don't like the direction the country has been going in for the last 30 years, you'll see it get even worse if the Democrats are allowed to return to the White House.

108 posted on 09/12/2007 12:58:41 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
By snubbing candidates who don't feel like jumping to the tune of Values Voters or any other self appointed arbiters, and even considering sitting out the race, or even worse, voting third party, that possibility will be lost, probably forever [...] If you don't like the direction the country has been going in for the last 30 years, you'll see it get even worse if the Democrats are allowed to return to the White House.

That is the same "lesser of two evils" that has been foisted upon conservatives all along. Fred cannot win the general election without the conservative right, and the conservative right won't be voting for him... Ergo, Fred cannot win. We had best get behind someone everyone believes in.

111 posted on 09/12/2007 1:12:29 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: SuziQ
Bah... If you truly want to end Abortion, vote for who can win"

Double BAH !!

I won't vote FOR the Next Bob Dole because BOB DOLE DID NOT WIN !

I won't vote FOR the next FORD, BUSH, because they haven't ENDED Abortion !

If Roe-v-Wade can be overturned, the issue will go back to the states. At that point, we pro-lifers have a golden opportunity to make our case directly to the voters in our states, and may just change even more hearts and minds. We may never get to the point where all babies can be saved because most states' voters will require that exceptions be made in the case of rape, incest, or if the mother's life is in danger, but that will stop about 98% of all abortions in those states. That is a far better situation than we are in today. And who knows, after a few years of that, we may even get to the point in this country where folks are ready to support a Human Life Amendment, but that is many years off.

Lie...

Lie, lie, lie lie !!

As Simon and Garfunkel would say...

First: Turning it Back to the States would mean 3 BAD things.

Bad #1... Some states WOULD enshrine in Their State Constitutions the ETERNAL DENIAL of the Personhood of the Unborn.

THAT is unacceptable.

Bad #2... The ONLY WAY then for the LIVING states to be FREE of that curse would be to pass a FEDERAL Amemendment which EXEMPTED THEM from the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

Fred knows this... he's stated it straight out in the press.

Bad #3... This would mean fighting 50 USELESS State Battles and ALL the Political and Economic cost, and then... THEN having to pass a FEDERAL AMENDMENT ANYWAY !!

Second...

Years OFF ??

ANY PLAN would take years.... So blow that one out yer ARSE! If that is the only excuse you got. Even the CONFEDERATES did not say "Lets wait a bit" on slavery.

Ya'll are worse than them...

123 posted on 09/12/2007 7:29:39 AM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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