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Posted on 06/07/2007 1:30:39 PM PDT by dcwusmc

This was on 10 April 2007.....This young former Woman Marine widow is under a lot of stress and duress and her language is quite vivid but I'm sorry ladies and gentleman this letter watered my eyes......she makes a lot of good points and I'm not saying that out of pity for her.We just don't need another friggin' Vietnam and that's what this is turning into.It's time to boogie while the boogien's good.Today Turkey invaded northern Iraq to kill Kurds....here we go again. http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/309485032.html


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: foaf; friendofafriend; notapeacemovement; propaganda
A Vietnam Marine friend (who was assigned to the First Bn, 9th Marines, aka the "Walking Dead") sent this to me. Be warned, the author of the piece on craigslist has some strong feelings and might offend the sensibilities of some on this board.
1 posted on 06/07/2007 1:30:40 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: dcwusmc

Political correctness is very imbedded in both parties. It appears to me even the Administration has no guts to fight to win this war.


2 posted on 06/07/2007 1:37:46 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: dcwusmc
Ignorance is bliss. Guess they should of bothered to find out the “Turkey invades Iraq” story was a fraud.

I doubt this person that wrote this is in the Military at all. This has been the latest tactic of the “Anti War” movement, post their propaganda and claim it was “from a Vet”

They even arrested on guy who never even made it thru training but was the darling for the Anti American Left by claiming to be an Iraq War vet who witnessed “War Crimes”

Seeing as how this tries author to hit every single emotional hot button yet manages to be complete fact free indicates to me it is a fraud.

Why Iraq

One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the “Anti War movement”) of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US’s National “News” media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.

Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.

To start with Saddam’s Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it’s diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it’s military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.

The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.

Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The “Holy” soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.

There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.

Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect” to understand. It’s so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like “No Blood for Oil” or “We support the Troops, bring them home” or dumbest of all “We are creating terrorists” then to actually THINK.

Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their “god” will reward them for killing us.

So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.

Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming “We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad” and recruit the next round of “holy warriors”. Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it -

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

Winston Churchill

3 posted on 06/07/2007 1:40:15 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Napoleon in Spain, the Nazis in Eastern Europe and the Russians in Afganistan followed your tactics. Perhaps instead of mindlessly repeating the stupidity screamed at you by never been anything talk radio hosts, you might actually try LEARNING something about Iraq. Most of the dying is being done by Iraqis. YOUR strategy would turn all those allies into enemies. Counter Insurgency is not Total War. Learn the difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iraq

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Iraqi+casualties&btnG=Google+Search


4 posted on 06/07/2007 1:42:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: Snoopers-868th; dcwusmc

U.S. commander points to progress in parts of Iraq (Rats, RINOs, MSM and Al-Qaeda, you’re losing)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846566/posts


5 posted on 06/07/2007 1:45:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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I think you misintrepret my post. I don’t advocate giving up—I advocate taking the handcuffs off our troops and really fighting this war. Collateral damage and all.


6 posted on 06/07/2007 1:47:56 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: dcwusmc
It doesn't offend me... she's grieving and is at her wits end. I'm sorry for her loss and have the utmost respect for her service and her husbands, highest sacrifice..

That said... WE WILL STAY.

7 posted on 06/07/2007 1:53:07 PM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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This is a fake. Previous versions had this “Marine” calling herself a “soldier.”


8 posted on 06/07/2007 1:58:57 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Nappy is the new N-word.)
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Previous versions had this “Marine” calling herself a “soldier.”

I take that back...the title still says soldier. No Marine, pissed off or not, would ever refer to themselves as a "soldier."

9 posted on 06/07/2007 2:01:36 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Nappy is the new N-word.)
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To: dcwusmc

You are a Marine (I assume)...your friend who sent htis is a Marine...would you ever post from “an angry soldier?”


10 posted on 06/07/2007 2:06:29 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Nappy is the new N-word.)
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Did you even read this? It’s total BS. First, a woman did not write this...and if she did, she’s the Widow Jesse McBeth.

It’s anti-war propaganda for the sleazy perverts who hang out at CL. There was a story posted earlier about prostitutes using that site. The hookers have to be considered “upper crust” judging by the content of that cesspit.

11 posted on 06/07/2007 2:11:51 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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I have read it a couple of times and I don’t think I buy it. I found several things in it that are canned and a couple others that I don’t think a “Marine” would say even in full tilt hysterics.

I would be happy to entertain some authentication of this letter “From an Angry Soldier”.


12 posted on 06/07/2007 2:13:03 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (No to nitwit jesters with a predisposition of self importance and unqualified political opinions!)
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To: Snoopers-868th

I have to agree with you. It would appear that there has been NO plan to win; only to depose Saddam and build a nation out of what was left over. Something that is NOT in accord with the powers granted FedGov in the Constitution.


13 posted on 06/07/2007 8:32:46 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I suspect that she did not write the title...


14 posted on 06/07/2007 8:37:12 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I suspect that she did not write the title...


15 posted on 06/07/2007 9:12:06 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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I suspect that she did not write the title...

Yeah....those pesky editors at CL and their titles. /s

16 posted on 06/08/2007 3:55:58 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Nappy is the new N-word.)
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