Posted on 05/06/2007 3:00:00 PM PDT by Bonaparte
News reports say that Governor Romney, looking ahead to the possibility of presenting himself as a candidate for the U.S. presidency in 2008, has met privately with Christian leaders to allay their concerns about the fact that he is a Mormon. (See Boston Globe, Nov 2, 2006 at http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/11/02/romney_consults_evangelical_leaders ) These leaders apparently are concentrating on areas such as Romney's view of gay marriage, abortion, and whether Romney is really a Christian. Undoubtedly Romney's answers in those areas will satisfy most of these Christian leaders.
However, not knowing much about Mormon doctrine and practices, many Christians are unaware of some of the areas in which the idea of a Mormon as president could raise serious doubts in their minds. They simply don't know what to ask the governor.
Below are some suggested questions which might profitably be asked of Governor Romney, both by Christian leaders and by journalists.
You defined it even better than me; agreed!
Teri, you better call these people up and let 'em know they're doing it wrong!
The Princeton Academy Catholic School centers their curriculum around Bible study!
And these aren't adult Catholics, these are Catholic kids!
Didn't they get the memo that Catholic kids don't have Bible Study like protestants do?
Throwing stones in a glass house? Those questions can be turned on any religious group.
For example, here is a quote from Wikipedia:
Most 19th and early 20th century Southern Baptist congregations in the southern United States taught that there were two separate heavens; one for blacks, and one for whites.[citation needed]
The doctrine was used to support a ban on ordaining blacks to most Protestant clergies until the 1960s in the U.S. and Europe. It is significant to note that the Coptic, Ethiopian, Orthodox, Thomasite and the Catholic church did not recognize these interpretations and did not participate in the religious movement to support them. Certain Catholic Diocese in the Southern United States did adopt a policy of not ordaining blacks to oversee, administer sacraments to, or accept confessions from white parishioners. This policy was not based on a Curse of Cain teaching, but was justified by any possible perceptions of having slaves rule over their masters.[citation needed]
Baptists and other denominations including Pentecostals officially taught or practiced various forms of racial segregation well into the mid-to-late-20th century, though all races were accepted to worship services after the 1970s and 1980s when many official policies were changed. Nearly all Protestant groups in America had supported the notion that black slavery, oppression, and African colonization was the result of God’s curse on people with black skin or of African descent through Cain[citation needed] or through the curse of Ham, and some churches practiced racial segregation as late as the 1990s, including Pentecostalism. Today, however, official acceptance and practice of the doctrine among Protestant ogranizations is limited almost exclusively to churches connected to white supremacy, such as the Aryan World Church and the New Christian Crusade Church.
Why don’t you give it a rest?
TODAY, there is a greater emphasis in some Catholic Schools, on the bible. However, not when I attended them, which was the time period we were addressing.
Not quite.
Southern Baptists never enshrined racist sentiments in their holy book. Nor is it a part of their church doctrine today.
OTOH, the Mormons did put such sentiments in the Book of Mormon and, most importantly, those sentiments are still there in the 2006 printing of the Book of Mormon -- as I've shown beyond dispute.
Give it a rest, you say?
I know you and others on this thread would love it if you could censor questions that are not on your "approved list," but I think I'll just keep saying what's on my mind and asking my questions anyway.
Of course, you could always hit the "abuse" botton and tell the moderator that I've gone off your "approved questions list" reservation. I'm sure you'd get a speedy remedy.
Considering what a hornets' nest I've apparently stirred up, I'm surprised nobody's done that yet. Or have they?
Why is his behavior not the most important thing here? It would seem to give some clue to his beliefs. And what can we see from looking at Romney’s? That he treats everyone regardless of skin color equally. That is what is important. And reading this I can’t see how you think this is important other than you are desperately hoping for a youtube moment to end his campaign. Which I don’t understand. As of right now he is our best shot at actually winning the presidency. And by the way none of us can answer for Romney on this. What we are saying is it shouldn’t matter because his record shows no signs of bigotry.
Personally, I don’t consider these questions relevant; I know of no instance where Romney’s religion interfered with his duties as Governor of Massachusetts. However, if you do think these issues are pertinent, I hope you will ask every candidate similarly detailed questions about their personal faiths.
Actually, it was the time period we were addressing -- until you said --
I could be wrong about this, but "we don't" sounds a lot like the present tense to me -- as in "today" or "now."
Excuse me, Teri. I might be gone for awhile. Gotta see if I can find out whether there were any Catholic schools for kids that taught Bible Study back when you were in school. I figure that would probably be back around 1970 or so.
I know that yours didn't (except when they did), but I just want to see if other Catholic schools of that period got the memo on how Catholic kids didn't have Bible Study in school.
See you soon!
Who then , surely you must have someone who you prefer ?
Seriously,
If the Mormon Church is not advocating that the curse of Cain is relevant then it is not relevant. The Book of Mormon also says that Black and White are absolutely equal before God. So what to make of that? The common consensus amongst Mormons is that the Book of Mormon text is an ancient text. Racism was ancient and it also showed up in the Bible, see treatment of Cananites in the Bibles and a whole host of other races.
So if the Church is not advocating racism then it is not relevant. And yes I will submit the abuse button because Slander is not legitimate either!
In other posts on this thread, I have already discussed why I consider that and the other questions important.
I understand that you don't share that view and I respect that. Nonetheless, it is my view and I've got to tell you that I am definitely not alone here.
As things stand, there is no way Mr. Romney is going to get the Christian believers' vote. And not our time and money, either.
He cannot run from these questions and have any hope of carrying the election.
Well, I know several Baptists that are willing to hear him out. They see the way he lives being more important than his denomination.
Whom do you suggest , if Romney is unacceptable ?
The curse of Cain? Haven't you been following this thread? Nobody has mentioned the "curse of Cain." One poster mentioned the "curse of Ham" in a quickly discredited attempt to misrepresent what is said in the Old Testament. And that's it. So why on earth do you bring up "the curse of Cain"?
"So if the Church is not advocating racism then it is not relevant."
"The common consensus amongst Mormons is that the Book of Mormon text is an ancient text."
There is zero historical evidence in support of that and much evidence refuting it. Just because something is believed by some, does not make it true. The best scholarship has shown the original Book of Mormon to have originated with Joseph Smith himself in the early 19th century.
"Racism was ancient and it also showed up in the Bible, see treatment of Cananites in the Bibles and a whole host of other races."
Please point me to the passages in the Old Testament that support your contention that "racism" was the motive for what was done to the Canaanites. I've read about the Canaanites many times and haven't encountered one word in Scripture about their being oppressed due to "racial" prejudice.
And now you know another one.
I am more than willing to hear him out on the questions I have posed on this thread.
If Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would Michael's number two wife Cherry move into the number one slot automatically, or would he get to pick anyone he wanted for number one?
Also, do you prefer champagne, or 7UP?
Just being,
You set the time period in your initial post to me. I wasn't aware I would have to remind you of the time period in every post thereafter.
It was a general statement. As a general rule even today as well as then, Catholic's don't attend bible study class.
"Excuse me, Teri. I might be gone for awhile. Gotta see if I can find out whether there were any Catholic schools for kids that taught Bible Study back when you were in school. I figure that would probably be back around 1970 or so."
So then if you find a few, that makes me a liar? LOL!Eeeewwww, I'm quakin' in my boots. Bonaparte might expose me as a liar. If that's the way you want to waste your time, so be it.
"I know that yours didn't (except when they did), but I just want to see if other Catholic schools of that period got the memo on how Catholic kids didn't have Bible Study in school."
We didn't attend bible study class. That exacting thing your so fond of.
I had friends and family in almost EVERY Catholic highshool and in many Catholic grade schools in Philadelphia, and none of them attended bible study class in the way that protestants did. Nor did my relatives in the other end of the state. When we did read the bible we didn't even refer to it as "bible study." In fact it's a pretty well know difference between Catholics and protestants often mentioned to me by my protestant friends.
I'm feeling what appears to be the beginning of a major yawn. Good night, buddy.
He doesn’t seem to be FOR any of the candidates. A commonality he shares with one or two of our other “friends.”
I know several , must be hard to believe, but I do .
Romney may not get the vote of certain self-annointed Christian spokespeople such as yourself, but he will likley get the majority of the Christian vote. : )
Good night, NP. He’s all yours. : )
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