Posted on 03/06/2007 8:25:19 AM PST by areafiftyone
Reality -- Romney paid transportion and entry fees for a lot of college and high school students to be there so naturally he won. Rudy had a total of seven staffers and no presence to speak of.
When you buy a victory, it doesn't mean much because Romney couldn't even come in 1st when you combine votes for 1st and 2nd which Rudy won.
LoL. I figured as much. Go off howling in the wilderness.
As if I need the opinions of reporters to know what happened when I heard the speech that Rudy gave and saw the response of the audience which had repeated interruptions of agreement.
If the Rudyphobes were correct he should have been received with hisses and boos if not cries of "FAG LOVER" since such is apparently what determines a "true" conservative to some around here.
So Romney got a double. That is no exaggeration but Rudy did at least as well. I never said his tactics were unfair or underhanded so I don't know where that came from. In fact, I haven't said that Romney did not do well in this whole episode. Romney, Rudy and Newt were the clear winners here probably the last two did best. Rudy because this was a hotbed of conservatives and Newt because his Coy Maiden tactic seems to be working as well. Powerline is also incorrect in claiming Romney took any hits of late. He has not.
But a demented man rarely is. Or a total tool.
"There are better alternatives." Who?
Anybody except Rudy, Mitt & McPain
"In fact, I haven't said that Romney did not do well in this whole episode."
Then I'm not sure what you are complaining about. Others have tried to imply that Romney's straw poll win was not legitimate was why I replied. A win is a win.
"If the Rudyphobes were correct he should have been received with hisses and boos ..." Just because you like other candidates above Rudy doesn't make you a 'Rudyphobe' ... are you a Hunter-phobe???
I care plenty about family values. Just not phoney, sickly sentimental pandering.
On the other hand, we live in a dangerous world, and I'll support the divorced Guiliani over any other candidate - ex-wives or no ex-wives.
Of course, Clinton was the master of phoney, awful fake "family values." Remember the State of the Union address during Monica when he mouthed the words "Ah Luv Y-ooo!" to Miss Hillary in the gallery?
EWWWWWWWW! I remember!
That means NOBODY. One does not get to create the Perfect Politician one only gets to chose from those available.
And there are FEW from those available who could actually win the nomination and beat Hillary.
Since when is analysing the true meaning of this "victory" complaining. It was significant until one actually looks below the surface after than it is seen as hollow and contrived with little true significance actually obscuring what the message of the convention really was.
I have repeatedly said that I would vote for Hunter should a miracle happen and he become the nominee. The Rudyphobic have just as repeatedly said they will NOT vote for him.
The only thing I have against Duncan is that he has NO chance to win the nomination.
Another thread by the "Fifteen Percent"
there you go again. I diagree with your opinion that Romney's victory is 'hollow and contrived', and consider it whining to assert so, as any straw poll has these known dynamics. They are what they are. Let's move on.
I will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is, so dont need over the top appelations thrown at me. It is circular logic to oppose Hunter as 'not able to win the nomination'. Vote for the best candidate and see where the chips fall. Rudy is the one candidate who doesnt need the votes of thinking activists, he's got the celebrity advantage.
Support the best candidate - period. IMHO, it's not Rudy.
1) I have never said I would not vote for Hunter should he survive until the Illinois primary. I have repeatedly said I may very well do that and that I like the guy.
There is no circular logic in my analysis of political realities nor is it even that concerned with Hunter per se.
NO hard rightist would have a prayer of being elected president. The electorate has by scared off by the Treason Media's lies about what conservatism is. That was clearly illustrated by the Nov election and the conservative wipe out therein.
My "support" for Rudy has been limited to urging people to get behind the GOP nominee and trying to limit the damage intended by the Rudyphobic many of whom aren't even Republicans. These people will damage the party if not responded to and are not helping conservatism regain credibility. Quite the contrary they are driving people away by making it appear that the Treason Media caricatures of conservatives are correct.
"My "support" for Rudy has been limited to urging people to get behind the GOP nominee"
Fine, but we haven't selected the nominee yet and its a year out before this is crystallized. Since the nominee may well be Romney or Gingrich or even Hunter (1%?), let's cut *all* the prospective nominees some slack.
"NO hard rightist would have a prayer of being elected president."
This above statement makes more sense as a position. Your previous statement was wrt not winning the primary which IMHO is circular logic. I don't fully agree with the generalization, but it seems to be playing out in 2008 that the more electable candidates are the least conservative. IMHO, both Romney and Newt Gingrich are being underestimated wrt electability, as they both possess the intelligence and articulation to make their case well.
As for myself, I've pretty much excluded Rudy as a primary choice on life/family issues and his appointment of too many liberal judges when mayor, and McCain is also out because of McCain-Feingold, but could see myself voting for any of Romney, Gingrich, or Hunter in the primary ...
It seems a tad early to make definite commitments, decisions or assumptions.
I will make one prediction: Hillary/Obama is a near lock on the Democrat side. I've never seen a more transparent ploy to groom someone for the vice presidency!
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