Rudy 1, Romney 0

Eye on 08 ^ | 3/6/07

[WOSG]

"People who have to talk about other people's marriage usually have something to hide in theirs that they don't want to talk about."

That is of course utter nonsense.
So you think all those Freepers who criticized Clinton's philandering are bad people? If I mention that I find Rudy's running around with a mistress during marriage #2 and his live-in relationship with a gay 'couple' disturbing ... that suddenly makes me someone who has something to hide!?!?

This sounds like a typical liberal attempt to deflect a principled moral stand and/or a legitimate question about personal character. It's a proactive 'ad hominem'.

Well get this - anyone who argues against me is a Marxist pedophile bank robber with a bad hairpiece - trust me, I know my enemies. ;-)

[stockstrader]

Apparently many Rudy-apologists DO have a problem with a successful and happy marriage! I never thought I would live to see the day,,,that so-called conservatives would mock, ridicule and demean someone so proudly highlighting the fact that they are still on their first marriage!

Amazing how much progress we have made socially, isn't it?.../s

[383rr]

Love the tag-line.

The anti second amendment julie-annie is getting no support from me.


SAY NO TO GUN-GRABBERS!!!!!!!!

[WOSG]

"And as for "liberal RINOs", the GOP is a traditionally liberal party (learn something about Classical Liberalism before you pretend to know what liberalism is), and it is not "liberal RINOs" that are "ruining" the GOP, but over-zealous religious bigots and self-appointed busy-bodies who are pulling it ever-further from it's traditionally liberal roots, who are."

You are confused.

Modern kennedy-esque Liberalism and classical Liberalism have about as much in common as Karl Marx and Groucho Marx.

When RINO "liberals" are condemned, they are condemned for their acquiencence to modern US 'liberal' aka socialistic policies.

Today's liberalism is "socialism sold by the glass". Reject it 100%.

[EndWelfareToday]

Sorry that I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have a grasp on political realities. My bad. Knowing you support someone as goofy as TT means we do not have to take a thing you say as having any significance.

Hahaha... You're funny. Tell us... Have you always been a RINO or are you just now coming out and admitting to our Freeper brothers and sisters that you are nothing more than leftist minion dredging along like a good liberal lemming spreading your progressive propaganda?

The gig's up my friend. Anyone that supports Giuliani is either a democrat or RINO. Which are you?

You should take your own advice and "justshutupandtakeit."
I have better things to do than to trade insults with one not equipped to compete. Good day!

[WOSG]

"And apparently Romney likes to shove People's private family problems in to their own faces. Romney is showing his sleazy used car salesman side."

And you are showing your sleazy bash-a-Republican-with-unfair-personal-attacks side.

[stockstrader]

These Rudy-apologists defending Rudy's 'train wreck' sounds SO MUCH LIKE THE CLINTON-APOLOGISTS that it is amazing!!

True, Rudy does benefit from the CLINTON VACCINE (personal conduct no longer matters)--but to see so-called conservatives using EXACTLY THE SAME CLINTON DEFENSE STRATEGY (personal lives do NOT matter anymore) to defend his 'train wreck' is truly astounding! The irony is just too good.

You could take their same words--and use them to defend Clinton's personal life too.

Heck, JulieAnnie's train wreck makes Bill Clinton almost look like a good family man, and loving/caring husband!! But again,,,thanks to Slick (and now Rudy)--since when do family values matter anymore??

[MadIvan]

I seem to recall that President Reagan had a difficult relationship with his son, Ron Jr. By proxy, we continue to have a difficult relationship with Ron Jr. for him.

Regards, Ivan

[WOSG]

"Half of Romney's vote at CPAC came from the kids he brought to the conference and paid their fees. Since he had a huge presence and Rudy none to speak of his "victory" is rather hollow."

1) This is an overstatement. None of the 'kids' were paid. He got plenty of other votes.
2) It is true that *all* candidates do the same thing.
3) If Romney won via organization, more power to him.
4)Both Romney and Rudy hadchances to give a speech to the convention. The Rudy speech got soso reaction. The Romney speech was praised.
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/016922.php
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/CPAC_WTS

Romney has established himself as a real conservative and a very sharp candidate.

[stockstrader]

area51 said,
"People who have to talk about other people's marriage usually have something to hide in theirs that they don't want to talk about."

I addressed this absolutely OUTRAGEOUS comment in another thread. However, since it is SO OUTRAGEOUS, I would like area51 to cite his proof of that. And he can cite his proof--right after he shows where Mitt's wife was addressing anything other than the pride she takes in her long, successful, happy and loving marriage.

[justshutupandtakeit]

How could YOU trade insults when you have nothing to offer.
I doubt you could insult me if you though 24/7 to come up with one.

And your alternatives are false. Although I could care less if YOU think I am a RINO. You have already shown yourself to be clueless as to politics as your support for Tancredo shows. When Hunter drops out and supports Rudy he will become just another RINO.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Lots of falsehoods in that post. Romney paid the fees for the 200 he brought I did not say he paid them.

All the candidates did NOT "do the same". Hunter did not. Rudy did not. I doubt that Tancredo, Huckabee or Brownback did either. Though I don't blame anyone who did.

Rudy's speech was as well received, if not BETTER, than anyone's. His audience was entralled and could have listened twice as long without complaint. Such a LIE discredits your other comments. I saw the speech so I know of what I speak.

Romney would get my vote should he be nominated but I do not believe he will be for many reasons.

[TitansAFC]

---"Oh sure if Rudy paid to bus thousands of cheerleaders to scream out his name for CPAC I'm sure he would have won also."---

You're incorrect. There was a concerted effort to bring in Rudy cheerleaders, and many of them stayed just for his speech. And you seem to always forget that this CPAC meeting was essentially being held in the living room of Rudy Giuliani's house (metaphorically speaking).

17% in his own house. That's one for Romney, zero for Rudy.

[EndWelfareToday]

When Hunter drops out and supports Rudy he will become just another RINO.

Yes!

[WOSG]

"All the candidates did NOT "do the same". Hunter did not."

Go Duncan Go!!!

Seriously, all candidates try to get supporters to straw polls and if they don't or can't, that's their problem. All campaigns have flaks and supporters, but Romney was more visible/energized. These kind of polls help weed out campaigns and campaigners who can't organize well, and I for one think that you can't be a good executive if you can't run a good campaign. We should praise Romney for his strong showing and his organization and not diss him over the 'unfairness' of having supporters who showed up.

"
Rudy's speech was as well received, if not BETTER, than anyone's. His audience was entralled and could have listened twice as long without complaint. Such a LIE discredits your other comments."

ROFLMAO ... I posted/linked to other reporters on this.

Powerline: "Romney has taken plenty of hits lately but today, I think, he produced a hit -- an extra-base hit"

Red State's Erick Erickson: "I have to say that it was a tremendous speech."

And National Review got great vibes from the Romney speech:
- Lopez: "Immediately after his speech, a social-conservative activist who was so not into him said to me 'now that's more like it.'" (Kathryn Jean Lopez, "Romney Reax," National Review, http://corner.nationalreview.com, 3/2/07)

New York Times' Adam Nagourney: "...Mr. Romney arrived to a much more subdued reception but left to a rousing roar of applause." (Adam Nagourney, "Romney And Giuliani Make Pitch To Conservatives," The New York Times, 3/2/07)

There were numerous reports and reactions that indicate Romney hit a home-run with his speech. Please don't call an opinion a "lie" just because you disagree with it.

[lormand]

"Yet you are aligning with that phoney?"

"A broken clock is correct twice a day"

[Kevmo]

As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults.

Duncan Hunter's campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/



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Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Transcript of video below.




Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?

Culture of life:

ABC clip:

George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."

Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:

Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."

Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Immigration

CNN clip:

Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

Gun control:

CNN clip

Rudy Giuliani: "I'm in favor of gun control"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "How about registration of all handguns?"

Rudy Giuliani: "You know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times."

Gay Rights:

CNN Clip:

Announcer: "As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples."

ABC Clip: "I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?"

Rudy Giuliani: "I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone's sexual orientation."

First Amendment:

ABC Clip

Cokie Roberts: "Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes, I'm a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time."

Party Loyalty:

ABC Clip:

Rudy Giuliani: "Frankly George, I'd like to run on all the lines. I'd like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I'd like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it."

Conservative Values:

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."

Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'."

Welcome To CPAC, Rudy!

End clip.

[gpapa]

Rudy and Mitt, two peas in a pod. There are better alternatives. Mitt is trying so hard to tack to the right of Rudy it's comical.

[presently no screen name]

I never said I was righteous - I'm not part of the 'standing on principle' crowd.

[presently no screen name]

Are you old enough to be on the Internet without your mommy's permission?

Ah, the old put downs - and YOU talk about childish!! You exemplify it!

Don't vote for him - it's really that easy. Why spend so much time on something you don't want??

I simply do not think

I know.