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Something to toss around this Sunday evening.
1 posted on 02/25/2007 3:24:15 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder

It's Sunday...

Group Hug!


2 posted on 02/25/2007 3:27:04 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Rudder
Hopefully we'll have enough sense to unite behind the eventual Republican nominee, regardless of who it is.
3 posted on 02/25/2007 3:28:14 PM PST by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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It depends on how you define 'conservative'.

I consider the core of conservatism at the national level to be:

1. Strong national defense
2. Low taxes
3. Strict constructionist judges with regard to rights reserved for the states.

The Constitution was designed not to give the Federal government any say over social issues.


4 posted on 02/25/2007 3:28:45 PM PST by proxy_user
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Are both candidates conservatives or is one a partial conservative? If there is such a thing.

Conservatives usually vote GOP by default. BUT, right now de fault lies with the GOP.


5 posted on 02/25/2007 3:28:59 PM PST by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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Nice post. At this point, I think the only GOP candidate I couldn't support in the General Election would be McCain. As an Arizonan I have learned not to trust him since his opinions swing so wildly without any ideological or logical compass. I could see him nuking Iran one week and surrendering to N. Korea the next. He's just loco, irrational and doesn't know what he's doing.


6 posted on 02/25/2007 3:29:07 PM PST by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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Some of us did, a long time ago. Bob Dole and Mr. "Bleeding Heart (non)Conservative" (gag!) Jack Kemp did it for me.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

7 posted on 02/25/2007 3:30:05 PM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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a good number of them will.

but look at it this way - we may not be able to win the presidency without them, but we surely cannot win the presidency with ONLY them.

so what path do you want to choose? a sure loss, or a possible win.


8 posted on 02/25/2007 3:31:48 PM PST by oceanview
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No way I would EVER vote for Guiliani.

Liberal Republicans like Guiliani are more dangerous than liberal democrats,

because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between liberalism and conservatism,

making LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE.

10 posted on 02/25/2007 3:34:47 PM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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The GOP is not going to fix itself. That said, I don't have much hope for conservatives doing what they should have done after Ronaldus Maximus left office; set up their own political party and told the GOP to take a long hike off a short pier.

Unfortunately, conservatives are the battered spouses of American politics. They are routinely abused by the GOP and have been for decades. But they'll never take the initiative to simply walk out the door.

We tend to forget that a political party is a tool for getting members of that party elected to office. Hard stop. It is not an ideological construct.


13 posted on 02/25/2007 3:36:24 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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I find the surge for Rudy and against McCain to be astounding. I would vote for either, but I'm amazed conservatives would support a domestic liberal (on everything but taxes I guess) and that they reject McCain who is pro defense, pro Iraq war, staunchly pro life, etc.

I would tend to support Romney, then consider Rudy BECAUSE executive experience is important and a governor (hopefully a mayor) beats a Senator.

An issue no one mentions is VERY important - fighting corruption. The GOP is sooo stupid to be tagged as corrupt, when in many states the republican US Attorney is the ONLY check on democrat corruption. New Jersey - need I say more?

16 posted on 02/25/2007 3:39:24 PM PST by Williams
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18 posted on 02/25/2007 3:39:51 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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Let's get serious. Didn't Giuliani have prostate surgery?

Many otherwise very capable men have given up political life, and command, after that surgery.

21 posted on 02/25/2007 3:41:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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...vote for a win in 2008 no matter who (except Rudy) is our candidate?


22 posted on 02/25/2007 3:42:33 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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"Right now, Rudy looks like a winner and a guy who can best handle the job as CIC."

I don't get it. Please list Rudy's qualifications that make him the guy who "can best handle the job as CIC." If I recall correctly, Rudy has no military training or experience whatsoever. Even dropped out of ROTC and got a deferment from serving in Vietnam because he was a much needed law clerk. Clinton did the same thing and we all called him a "draft dodger" not the man best suited to lead as CIC.

23 posted on 02/25/2007 3:42:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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Legal immigrants may break 50%/50% between Republicans and Democrats, but the former illegals will be looking to vote themselves freebies from the government and these folks will be voting about 90% Democrat.

As soon as Bush signs Teddy Kennedy's "comprehensive" amnesty and citizenship for 20 million illegals, it won't matter how we vote, the Republicans will be out of power for at least another 40 years. I believe it may well be the end of the Republican party.
25 posted on 02/25/2007 3:43:34 PM PST by RJL
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I'm just tired of the "If you don't support Rudy, you'll get Hillary" argument.

IMHO, it's an argument worthy of the drive by media, not Freepers.


26 posted on 02/25/2007 3:43:36 PM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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Are moderate Republicans asking Conservatives to turn their backs on their principals and beliefs and vote against something they strongly believe in? Where is the compromise on their part. Seems very one sided to me. Sad.


28 posted on 02/25/2007 3:43:55 PM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter Tagline in process)
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I refuse to vote for any potential gun grabber...period!


29 posted on 02/25/2007 3:44:04 PM PST by Fireone (Duncan Hunter for President '08! - gohunter08.com)
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True conservatives voting for McCain... Giuliani... would be like taking non-lethal... but yet damaging doses of arsenic. Staying home on election day would be the equivalent of walking into a lions cage and being eaten alive.

All I know is that November 7th hurt conservatives more than it did RINO's... whether we will be a factor or not in 2008, remains to be seen.

31 posted on 02/25/2007 3:44:32 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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If any candidate supports abortion ... even allowing for wiggle room, I cannot vote for him/her. Regardless of what party label they wear.

Even to the extent of watching Hillary take office.

Not sorry, but that's the way it is.

If a pro-abortionist is elected so be it, but it will be without my help.

39 posted on 02/25/2007 3:48:42 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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