Posted on 02/18/2007 10:00:45 AM PST by verbosevet
Scuze me??
There will be no autopsy evidence in the Haditha case. Where does that leave them?
Hey, asshole.
Yeah, I said it. HEY, ASSHOLE:
These Marines were kept confined in metal boxes, deprived of food, water, head calls, and then interrogated 12 to 14 hours a day until they signed papers stating they were part of a murder.
Problem is, once they got back to the states, and they finally got to talk to legal counsel, they told a totally different story.
Seems the guy, the FORMER BATH PARTY Policeman, known for their 'compassion', was digging a hole to bury a bomb and they shot him in the act.
Because of Abu Grahib, they decided to hang the Pendleton 8 to make a statement to the world.
EACH of the accused who took plea bargains did so because they saw they were being shanghied; with the exception of bacos, who took the plea first, and he returns to active duty within a month.
Telling the truth about apprehending a TERRORIST planting an IED is NOT falsifying a document; claiming to have met certain Marines in IRaq who testify they never saw you at all in Iraq is. Arresting that Marine who stated he never met the interrogator from the states is criminal.
3 more Marines who took pleas are getting out with GENERAL DISCHARGES..you dont go from MURDER to a general discharge unless they Marine Corps didn't have a case to begin with!!
This last Marine who TOOK A PLEA, NOT CONVICTED OF ANYTHING, did it to avoid LIFE IN PRISON.
You have no clue what you are talking about. People lke me have been posting things here direct from the families as we could, and never told anyone where we ot it because we didn't want to poison the case legally, but your comments smack of Murtha-ism.
Thanks for the info, spunket. I certainly did not mean to impugn the Marine Corp. And, yes, it looks like this NCIS SA (former police officer) did a good job by hunting down the bodies, getting them exhumed and providing an autopsy to back up Pantano's claim. I didn't get enough info from your link to find out if those autopsies actually came back before the charges were dropped in late May, or if they came back later. Was her work directly relevant to dropping the charges, or backup that dropping the charges was the right call?
Okay, have it your way.
Someone who makes claims that sound like they've served honorably and have unique knowledge about a military investigation provokes my interest... and a little skepticism.
I see know reason for someone who has served so to dodge questions the answers to which would lend credibility to their story.
Sorry if questions were troubling.
It wasn't just the work of a single agent. The Corps backed the action, because they're interested in justice. As far as where Pantano would be, that's up to how the appropriate authorities and judges would take Sgt Colburn's story, which was backed up by the medic.
"There will be no autopsy evidence in the Haditha case. Where does that leave them?"
asfar as I'm concerned the autopsy is irrelevant. The Marines assaulted the houses. I see nothing coming from an autopsy as possibly having any effect.
I don't have to be in Haditha. The USMC says the reports were falsified.
Then you say...
Yeah, I was there.
Sorry, I have my Doubt It Hat on that you were in Haditha with Kilo Company.
But leaving that aside, even if the report is false, how does that lead to four men being guilty of murder?
The heart of the case is still murder charges--not a false report. And the main issue at trial will be the ROE.
The Pantano case ought to teach you to keep an open mind as the process (which includes a vigorous defense) goes forward.
No they weren't moron.
The autopsies came in one day after the article 32 hearing began. Her work was directly related to getting the charges dropped. Sgt Coburn had already changed his story several times, and so did the medic. They had the autopsy results when they presseured Coburn, I think that was during the article 32 hearing. That's where Colburn recanted the whole thing on the stand.
I'm having a hard telling if you're for real. Of course, the Marines assaulted the houses. No one is disputing that. The issue is whether ROE were followed.
And of course autopsies matter! These are murder trials!
The jihadist doctor, the director of the Haditha General Hospital, has said most of the deaths were caused by head shots at close range. I don't know if his testimony is in the NCIS investigation, but, if so, that testimony should be challenged with physical evidence. Or do you already know that everyone is guilty before we even get to an Article 32?
We're talking about FR's discussion about this incident in May and June of last year.
"...everyone is guilty before we even get to an Article 32?"
That's how it worked with Pantano, isn't it?
That's something else. Sgt Wuterich and Cpt McConnell filed false reports that said, the individuals killed that day in the houses were killed by an IED explosion. After being caught, they changed their story to, "they died in an assault".
"And of course autopsies matter! These are murder trials!"
I don't really see how. They already said they tossed grenades in and made a dynamic entry. The ~7y/o said on Nat TV, that she stayed home from school that day, to see them bomb the truck. It appears the jihadis made an egress before the houses were hit, since none of them were killed. The family was complicit in this, that's clear, so I doubt their testimony is worth much. It's the testimony of the false reports that is, and that was generated by the defendants, not the jihadis.
"The jihadist doctor, the director of the Haditha General Hospital, has said most of the deaths were caused by head shots at close range."
So? He's got no powder burns and the locations of the shots don't matter. It's inside a house, so all hte shots would have looked the same at htat distance. What does look bad is that during an assault and followup, as was done here, no one seamed to notice the targets were not adult males, and no one was armed in the 1st 2 houses.
Okay. I understand you to mean that I came to the wrong conclusion - that all you meant was that you were a participant in the earliest FR threads on the Haditha incident. A couple of things though:
You do continue to say, flat-out, that you know that reports were falsified, though -- it's a little hard to swallow for more than one reason.
yeah, you're right, they told their legal defense, their famlies all that, and they lied.
Yeah, youre so smart.
If you believe someone who served has something to say, then read my posts.
Your arguments are sadly illogical.
You posted, "What does look bad is that during an assault and followup, as was done here, no one seamed to notice the targets were not adult males, and no one was armed in the 1st 2 houses."
What really looks bad is that you expected the butler to announce their arrival.
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