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Did you ask Card about Wilson's wife?

BW I did not, This interview was taperecorded. It did not come up.

J Did you take this list of questions for Card with you?

BW I believe I did

J What time did it start?

BW On 27, a week after Card interview, I have it as 5

BW It was clearly the end of the day, we had the Q Cheney questions to go through. What I do is take questions from earlier interviews and bring them to interviews that I'm doing, and in my Cheney-Libby file, this full list of questions from Card was in there, along with the Q Cheney 18 pages, 16 pages and maybe other list of questions. The subject of the NIE came up. I don't recall specifically whether the 16 words were discussed. I don't think there was public controversy beyond what had been appearing in the WaPo.

J Did uranium from Africa come up

BW yellowcake, which is a form of uranium oxide, did come up

J Did you ask any questions about Wilson's wife

BW Not that I recall

J is it possible you did

BW Yes

J Did Libby say anything to you?

BW THere's no doubt that Libby didn't say anything, I dictated a memo. I would have written it down. This was an interview where we're going through questions on the Cheney list. I'm seeing where we're going to go. Hopefully I'm going to be able to talk to Cheney. I'm also seeing what I can get from him.

J Going back to Armitage. When Armi said CIA not going to be hurt and we're clean as a whistle. Was he referring to 16 words?

BW Speech Bush gave October 7 in Cincinnati, what he told me was that Tenet got the reference to uranium, Africa removed.

J That removal of claim was being raised.

BW that's what I asked Armitage. How come if it was removed a version was in SOTU?

J Why did you get into Wilson's trip

BW We were talking about Cincinnati speech and NIE and this and other subjects. I'm interested in what was the intell. Why did the President go to war.

J You mean NIE October 2002. Some of which had been released and some was still classified.

BW I had a sense of what was in NIE.

J What Armitage told you, did that indicate to you she was covert.

BW Just the opposite, in that portion you played, you've redacted words that are offenseive. "In the raw it has a little more fire." What he said specifically was that Wilson's wife was an analyst.

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Fitzgerald: When you were first interviewed, appeared in Lawyers office? Because member of media?

BW Not sure the reason, you and your lawyer arranged that.

F Nothing about testifying in lawyers office affected the substance. Two questions about tape. Is it fair to say all redactions are the firey words. They don't relate to covert nature of someone's employment.

BW Correct

F You say, why doesn't that come out, everyone knows.

BW Pincus' article did not name Wilson, I knew it Armitage knew it, and I was wondering why it was not disclosed at that time.

F Did you know that Wilson's wife was alleged to work at CIA? Were you referring to her CIA employ when you said everyone knows it?

BW No–I was referring to Wilson.

F Turning to doct in front of you, Q Card, one page or more?

BW Just one page.

F A number of other entries.

F You believe you brought Q Card with you to interview with Libby

BW Yes, we went through the Q Cheney card of questions.

BW I am certain I brought Q Cheney, I believe I brought Q Card, it is my habit to bring list of questions from one interview to the next.

F New exhibit.

11:43

BW Identifies Q Cheney questions, "that goes on and on and on."

F In this list of questions there's no reference to Wilson's wife.

F Do you recall that during interview on June 27, 2003, Libby was extremely defensive and protective of Cheney.

BW In my notes, when we got to the NIE. 4 months after invasion, no WMD had been found. Pres and Admin had said with great certainty we know WMD, part of the basis for this was the NIE, as I went through that with Libby, he was taking the position that the CIA had insisted that there were WMD. He was defenseive about things Pres had said publicly.

F Did you note that he went on and on and on about defending the VP?

BW I believe you have a copy of my notes, Libby released me like Armitage. And it says that when Libby talked about NIE he was very defensive. And one of the lines says he went on and on and on.

F This was for a book?

BW Correct

F And any articles would be released when the book was published. And you have no recollection of talking about Libby.

F Was it your understanding that all the reporters knew about Wilson's wife?

BW I have no idea.

Jeffress Would you expect someone who works for VP to defend boss?

BW Yes.

Jeffress goes back to transcript, focuses just on two lines of the interview.

J It's not you saying, "everyone knows it." That's him speaking.

BW correct.