Why I Support Rudy (Part I)

Red State Org ^ | 1 Feb 2008 | Dan McLaughlin

[kidd]

The entire concept of "we need to turn left to beat the left" is false. It was proven false in this last election.

If you are concerned about beating Hillary, I wouldn't worry. She is unlikable, cannot think on her feet and is essentially running only on a name and a vagina.

There are plenty of potential GOP candidates who will see the war on terror through. All of them can beat Hillary. Most of the potential GOP candidates are fiscal conservatives. If you would check how NYC finances were conducted, you would discover that Mayor Gulliani is not a fiscal conservative.

[Emmett McCarthy]

And I don't think anybody's real sure about the "vagina" part.

Aside from my profound differences with Rudy which would preclude my ever casting a vote for him, can you imagine if this guy were elected and those photos of him in drag were the picture of America among our enemies?

[x]

With the exception of his ill-fated endorsement of Mario Cuomo over George Pataki, Rudy has not made a practice of attacking his own party, a fact that sets him quite apart from many other moderate/liberal Northeastern Republicans.

Ouch! That's a pretty big exception. How many mayors endorse governors from the opposing party? Pataki probably doesn't have very many conservative fans, but having supported Cuomo has to hurt Rudy.

[TommyDale]

"Are guns, abortion, and the homosexual agenda all that remain of conservative thought?"

Absolutely not. Abortion and the Homosexual Agenda are the KEY points that the Religious Right find to be unacceptable and non-negotiable under any terms. You can also add stem cell research, freedom of worship and euthanasia as well. Guns, Amnesty for Illegal Border Invaders and other social topics are not Religious Right issues, but many find those also unacceptable and non-negotiable.

[areafiftyone]

Pataki probably doesn't have very many conservative fans, but having supported Cuomo has to hurt Rudy.

Actually it didn't. Rudy endorsed Wacki Pataki for his other two terms. And Pataki was quite happy with that.

[nopardons]

This is an absolutely brilliant piece and lays everything, EVERYTHING out on the line, as to WHY Rudy is the one person to get behind.

Will the GOP lose some votes, if he is our candidate? Yes, but it would, no matter WHO the candidate is and Rudy will pick up a lit of Indy and even some Dem votes, which will more then offset the losses. None of the others running or those who are playing games now, can do that.

I'm beginning to lose confidence in Mitt. I loathe McCain. The rest of the field don't have a chance.

[nopardons]

You don't care if Hillary wins?

Do you realize WHAT that statement says about YOU?

[finnman69]

Rudy has my vote among all of the current candidates.

[nopardons]

Did you vote for Reagan?

He instituted what was then, THE most liberal abortion laws in California, when he was governor.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Very astute analysis of the candidates. Thanks for posting this!

[tfelice]

Do you realize WHAT that statement says about YOU?

Yes, I says that I am firm in my beliefs and will not vote for a pro-abortion, pro-sodomite candidate simply to hopefully defeat Hillary. Christians take these two issues very seriously and there are many people who will not vote for a candidate if they are pro-abortion and/or pro-sodomy.

If the GOP nominates Rudy and they lose the Presidency and likely more seats in Congress they have no one to blame but themselves for abandoning their core principles.

[PhiKapMom]

Mine too. I have looked at all Republicans that I can think of and I always come back to Rudy as being the best candidate to beat Ms. Clinton and can stand up to her in debates.

[PhiKapMom]

I am also looking forward to Part II which will also be posted.

[firewalk]

Thanks for the pings (:

[finnman69]

I just think Rudy would be an awesome president. Period.


That he can beat Hillary is a necessary bonus to me.

[PhiKapMom]

A Freeper I agree with 100%! YEA!

[narses]

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Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

[narses]

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

[narses]

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.