Is Rudy a Conservative?

Karnick on Culture ^ | jan 27, 2007 | S. T. Karnick

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That's a good case. But if you'd asked Republicans or conservatives about Reagan in 1980 you wouldn't have heard the kind of misgivings you hear about Rudy today. Reagan had established himself as a social conservative, in spite of the divorce and California's abortion law. Rudy hasn't done that yet.

There's some difference in people's minds between one divorce and two, between knowing gay people and living with them. To some extent it's a generational thing: Reagan had the solidity and reliability of someone who'd been through the generation.

Republicans understood that Reagan wouldn't move left in any significant way, either socially or economically. It's harder to say that about Rudy now. Maybe knowing who he'd listen to and appoint as President would help conservatives to make up their mind definitively about him.

[Always Right]

Rudy is a tough sell to social conservatives as the Supreme Court balance is just one vote away from swinging right. Rudy is a good guy and very good on some issues, but he is no Reagan conservative and it is a lie to try to sell him as one.

[My GOP]

This is why you should vote for Rudy. Lets first address the social issues. Let's start with pro-homo. He's AGAINST gay marriage. Now as far as homos go, personally, I disagree with their life style but as long as they do what they do in the privacy of their own home I really don't care and nobody else should either, especially not the federal government. The POTUS doesn't have the power to stop people from being gay. And he surely shouldn't be interferring in people's private lives. So therefore voting on the basis of this issue doesn't make much sense.

As far as abortion goes, we have a pro-life President now but we are still having abortions. No president has the power to stop abortion. Rudy has already said he supports strict constructionist judges like John Roberts. He constantly praised the President for appointing Roberts and Alito. He said Roberts is his ideal justice. Assuming Rudy gets elected President and appoints Roberts-like justices then maybe Roe v. Wade will get overturned. But even if it does get overturned I hope you're not naive enough to think that would stop all abortions. The abortion issue would then revert back to the states and do you really think California would outlaw abortions? Being pragmatic in our thinking we all know we can't completely stop abortions. Therefore voting solely on this issue very unpragmatic. I hate abortions too but I realize that regardless of how many pro-life presidents we elect, its just not going to stop.

Rudy is great on all the other issues, the ones where the President actually has the power to make a real difference, like the WOT. He's fiscally responible(he turned a NYC's deficit into a surplus), a tax cutter(he cut over 20 taxes as Mayor), conservative on domestic policies(he dropped 600,000 people off welfare, cleaned up the rampant crime as Mayor and supports school choice), supports strict constructionist judges, and is 100% perfect when it comes to his stance on the WOT and all other foreign policy which by the way is 100 times more important than worrying about what some gays people are doing, gay people that doesn't affect your life at all!!!

With Rudy you are not getting a liberal, you are getting a man who is conservative on most issues, the issues where the president actually has major influence over and yes he is fairly liberal on a couple of social issues, issues that the president has very little influence over. Nowadays judges have the most influence on these issues and Rudy supports strict constructionist so that pretty well takes care of the social issues and will help us get these issues back to the states where they belong. So on the AVERAGE he is fairly conservative and not a liberal and more importantly conservative on the issues where the President can make a difference. And most importantly he will continue Bush's work on the WOT and give us a great foreign policy.

Finally, Rudy and McCain are, IMO, the only two Republicans that can win in 2008. So take your pick, Hillary, McCain, or Rudy. Sure, you can "choose" another Republican but he will lose to Hillary. Back to Rudy, If he's elected President and fights terrorist like he fought crime as Mayor can you imagine the results we will in the defining struggle of our generation, the fight against Islamic fascism. You know for a fact Hillary will surrender the terrorist and hand our foreign policy over to the UN and EU and poor Israel would be left out to dry. Rudy is extremely competetent and a great leader and there is nobody I want more as Commander in Chief. So you go ahead and worry about gays, people that don't affect your life at all. I'm going to worry about Islamic fascism, you know the people that want to kill us all, and vote for someone that will go after them.

Lets review history. World War II ended in 1945. SEVEN years later in 1952 the most popular general of the war, Dwight Eisenhower, won in a landslide despite far right extremist unpragmatic Republicans not supporting him in the primaries. History always repeats itself

[narses]

I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp

[narses]

Abortion Fits GOP Philosophy, Says Giuliani

By Jeff McKay
CNS Correspondent
April 09, 2001

New York, N.Y. (CNSNews.com) - While the national Republican platform is decidedly pro-life and has been for the past two decades, the GOP mayor of the nation's largest city believes his party's philosophical underpinnings are more in tune with the pro-abortion point of view.

New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said favoring the availability of abortion is "more consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party."

Giuliani made his eyebrow-raising remarks at an awards luncheon April 6 sponsored by the National Abortion Rights Action League in New York City, a leading abortion group.

[...Snip...]

Kelli Conlin, the executive director of the New York chapter of NARAL, applauded Giuliani's views. She called the mayor "a great advocate for us," and said it was "unfortunate the leadership of the GOP has moved into a direction where they want to implant government control on the lives of women and on reproductive freedom."

Although some of the state's top Republicans favor the availability of abortion - both Giuliani and Gov. George Pataki are supporters of abortion rights - their views on the issue are not shared by all in the New York GOP.

"Rudy Giuliani is not the poster child for the Republican Party. His values are completely out-of-step with the views of the GOP," said Lori Hougen, spokesperson for the New York chapter of the National Right to Life.

[My GOP]

As far as abortion goes, we have a pro-life President now but we are still having abortions. No president has the power to stop abortion. Rudy has already said he supports strict constructionist judges like John Roberts. He constantly praised the President for appointing Roberts and Alito. He said Roberts is his ideal justice. Assuming Rudy gets elected President and appoints Roberts-like justices then maybe Roe v. Wade will get overturned. But even if it does get overturned I hope you're not naive enough to think that would stop all abortions. The abortion issue would then revert back to the states and do you really think California would outlaw abortions? Being pragmatic in our thinking we all know we can't completely stop abortions. Therefore voting solely on this issue very unpragmatic. I hate abortions too but I realize that regardless of how many pro-life presidents we elect, its just not going to stop.

[narses]

And gun grabbers? That's OK? Oh yeah and the radical gay stuff, OK too? Dumping wife after wife, OK?

[My GOP]

"And gun grabbers? That's OK?"

No and I don't think he will try to "grab" any guns. Are the Democrats trying to do it now that they have regained Congress. NO!!! Gun control hasn't been an issue since 2000 when it cost Al Gore the election and nobody is going to try to make it an issue now. Everybody knows its a losing issue.

"Oh yeah and the radical gay stuff, OK too?"

Did you even read my original post the entire way through? Rudy is against gay marriage. Besides, its a state issue anyways. Secondly, nobody, including the President can stop people from being gay and the government shouldn't be involved in their private lives. Gays don't affect my life or yours. Stop worrying about things that don't affect your life!!!

"Dumping wife after wife, OK?"

What does this have to do about his ability to be President. It didn't stop him from being the greatest Mayor NYC has ever had. His divorce is between him, his wife, and God and NOBODY else. Judge not!!!

And if you didn't read my entire post, please go back and read it.

[narses]

Instead, maybe you might want to read the GOP platform. Or use common sense. Rudy backed down from Hillary once, he is now dithering. He is a CINO and a RINO. You can praise him all you want and that won't change a word he has said.

[narses]

Abortion Fits GOP Philosophy, Says Giuliani

By Jeff McKay
CNS Correspondent
April 09, 2001

New York, N.Y. (CNSNews.com) - While the national Republican platform is decidedly pro-life and has been for the past two decades, the GOP mayor of the nation's largest city believes his party's philosophical underpinnings are more in tune with the pro-abortion point of view.

New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said favoring the availability of abortion is "more consistent with the philosophy of the Republican Party."

Giuliani made his eyebrow-raising remarks at an awards luncheon April 6 sponsored by the National Abortion Rights Action League in New York City, a leading abortion group.

[...Snip...]

Kelli Conlin, the executive director of the New York chapter of NARAL, applauded Giuliani's views. She called the mayor "a great advocate for us," and said it was "unfortunate the leadership of the GOP has moved into a direction where they want to implant government control on the lives of women and on reproductive freedom."

Although some of the state's top Republicans favor the availability of abortion - both Giuliani and Gov. George Pataki are supporters of abortion rights - their views on the issue are not shared by all in the New York GOP.

"Rudy Giuliani is not the poster child for the Republican Party. His values are completely out-of-step with the views of the GOP," said Lori Hougen, spokesperson for the New York chapter of the National Right to Life.

[AnalogReigns]

Is Rudy a conservative?

Ummm, no.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

"Yes, Rudy Guiliani Is a Conservative".

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Show me the beef!

[My GOP]

Rudy backed down from the Senate race because he had prostate cancer!! I know what the GOP platform says. Do you agree with it 100%? Republicans can and do have differences. To think 100% of Republicans are going to agree with the official GOP platform 100% of the time is ignorant and stupid. You can criticize him all you want and it want change the fact that my original post is correct and that you are ignorant, judgemental, and have no realization of today's realities. I do use common sense. I know Rudy is right on the most important issues that the President actually can affect and is the only Republican other than McCain that can win the general election in 2008.

[narses]

"Rudy Giuliani is not the poster child for the Republican Party. His values are completely out-of-step with the views of the GOP," said Lori Hougen, spokesperson for the New York chapter of the National Right to Life.

[penowa]

"Are the Democrats trying to do it now that they have regained Congress. NO!!!"

Either you aren't paying any attention to what the Democrats, not only in Congress, but also in most states where they have recently taken over the Legislatures, as well as the Democrat Mayors of America's big cities are up to, or you think that you are pulling something over on us. Which is it?????

[My GOP]

Do you really think I care what Lori Hougen, whoever that is, thinks? I hate to tell Lori this, but she's wasting her time trying to stop abortions. They will never stop no matter what she does or how hard she tries.

[narses]

~ Rudy supports big government Republicanism.
* Conservatives support limited government.

~ Rudy has supported gun control and an assault weapons ban.
* Conservatives oppose gun control and an assault weapons ban.

~ Rudy has supported abortion on demand and a ban on partial birth abortion.
* Conservatives oppose abortion on demand and support a ban on partial birth abortion.

~ Rudy has supported and even promoted special rights for homos.
* Conservatives oppose special rights for anyone.

~ Rudy supports liberal immigration reform, amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegals.
* Conservatives are opposed to liberal immigration reform, amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegals.

There is nothing conservative about Rudy Giuliani. Rudy`s major accomplishment upon leaving office as Mayor of NYCity was to reduce crime. The current liberal mayor of NYCity Mike Bloomberg has also reduced crime. Doesn't mean conservatives will vote for either Giuliani or Bloomberg to be POTUS. Only a moderate, centrist or liberal Republican could vote for Rudy. Unless you pull a "Vito Fossella", and sell out your conservative principles for the liberal bandwagon of Rudy Giuliani. Rudy`s given a lifetime of support to liberal policies and liberal causes, and that should be a turnoff to anyone who calls themselves a conservative.

[My GOP]

I haven't heard a thing from the Democrats in Congress about gun control. It certainly wasn't on their big first 100 hours to do list. As for the big city Democratic mayors, that's to be expected.

[narses]

He ran cause he was gonna lose! He is the wrong man for the job.