[RaceBannon]

I think the issue is: What used to make us upset while we served, was the personal advancement of individual officers along with THEIR mess-ups being covered while ours were open, and how we forgot that, and instead centered our memories of our pride in service.

Now, to see these things pop up, I am reminded of those incidents where officers screw up and it got covered up.

We spent decades in pride of our service time, pride in what we did, in knowing officers who advanced were once OUR officers, we knew them as Lt's or Captains, and now they are Generals, and we were proud to know them.

And then this. Blinders which we voluntarily put on concerning the past, things best kept forgotten, are popping up again and it is affecting not just individual units or individuals in those units, but out national prestige as well; in order to absolve our guilt over an overblown frat-prank at Abu Grahib, we HANG our own troops to look like we are cleaning house of undesirables.

That is not ESprit d'Corps, that is not Honor, Duty, Country. It is the big, Green Weenie, at it's worst.

[euphoriadev]

AMEN, Race. A-freaking-men.

[river rat]

I did not make the Marine Corps my lifetime career..
One tour of duty -- was a life changing experience and was enough to last me a lifetime.

However - I did come into contact with a fairly large number of Officers and senior NCOs in situations that taxed the moral fiber, character and integrity everyone..

Never - NOT ONCE did I ever encounter a warrior Officer or senior NCO I couldn't trust with my life......which in fact we were all doing at the time..

Never - NOT ONCE did I observe or even hear rumors about a Marine Officer who did ANYTHING to bring discredit to himself or the Corps...

If indeed there has been a drastic change in the CHARACTER of the men being Commissioned Officers in today's Marine Corps -- then that would indeed be a very sad development..

Until I've seen irrefutable evidence to the contrary -- I will continue to believe, at the core it's still the Corps.

Semper Fi