Posted on 01/05/2007 1:09:32 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
I think you'll find this interesting, Alamo
We DID have much the same Liberal Media that exists today during the War years. However, Hitler had invaded the “Workers’ Paradise” of their beloved Stalin five months before Pearl Harbor. So the Left was not going to do anything to sabotage any effort we might make to defeat Stalin’s enemy, Hitler.
Interesting.
I still don't understand why the Media let 30,000 Americans get killed in in 2 + years in Korea, fighting Communists, under Truman.
The MSM thinks Bush is a monster for allowing making Americans die in Iraq.
More Americans died in the first one month in Truman's Korean War than have died in 44 months of "Bush's" Iraq War.
3,000 deaths seems to be magic indicator that we should cut-and-run. At that rate we should have been out of Korea in 35 days.
Thank you so much for the ping!
Indeed. Thanks for the ping!
Syr:"I still don't understand why the Media let 30,000 Americans get killed in in 2 + years in Korea, fighting Communists, under Truman."
I am not 100% certain, but I believe it had to do with what the Democratic Party was going through at the time. "GI Generation" Democrats like JFK were taking the Democratic Party to the Center and being very Anti-Communist. After their loss in 1946, the Pro-Communist Democrats of the New Deal era had to give way. Remember that Joe McCarthy's right hand man was Robert F Kennedy. Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend, RFK's daughter, has old Senator Joe as her godfather.
The 1950 Democratic Senatorial Primary between George Smathers and Claude Pepper is a good example. It is disgusting that here at FSU in Tallahassee they have a building built to Claude Pepper, the swine who said that anyone who opposed Joseph Stalin was Fascist. George Smathers, a GI Generation Democrat, threw the Pro-Stalin things Pepper had said in his face and won his Senate seat. Modern Liberals make Pepper into a poor martyr, of course. Smathers and Democrats like him ran the Party from the late 1940s until the late 1960s when the Marxist bastards came back. George Smathers declined to run again in 1968 and the Republican beat the Marxist Democrat that year.
So, in answer to your query about the Korean War, the Democratic Party was doing its utmost to prove that it was as Anti-Communist as the Republican Party. To do otherwise in the 1950s was electoral disaster. The GOP did win Congress and the Presidency in 1952, so you can know that the Democrats were on their best behavior!
Lots of NONSENSE and falsehoods in that post. Anyone who has actually studied American history knows that BOSTON and NEW YORK CITY were the hot beds of the American Revolution providing almost all the leadership for its early days.
Ever hear of the BOSTON Tea Party, the BOSTON Massacre, the Sons of Liberty? They were not composed of "country bumpkins". Or John Adams, Samual Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, Paul Revere, the Minutemen?
You are aware that most of the fighting in the Revolution occurred in New York State and New Jersey are you not?
It is bad enough when Liberals make up lies about American history but even worse when Conservatives do.
More crap. The FOUNDERS of this nation established it to be ruled by MEN.
God does not rule nations no matter what the Priests who claim to speak for him say. God gave man freedom not puppet strings.
What you wrote makes a good deal of sense. I need to learn more about the period immediately after WWII.
I don't know anything about Boston, but I know that important families in New York were divided in allegiance.
New York City, Brooklyn, and other parts of Long Island had many citizens who supported the British troops. (My husband is annoyed at the way that many New York streets, which were named after early settlers, are still named after them, even though they became Tories).
New Jersey also had many British sympathizers.
Those comments are true but not the same as the earlier ones. It is estimated that about 1/3 of colonists supported the Crown, 1/3 Independence and 1/3 didn't care.
Families were divided (Benjamin Franklin's for example) but that also does not validate the earlier claims.
British support was strong in the Carolinas as well as strong or stronger than in the NE.
"So does his book. Which I have on hand as I type.
I might even take another look through it, now that you mentioned Pepper's campaign."
Yes, my upcoming blog post is tentatively titled "The Sad Sorry Left-Wing Cult of it's Own Martyrdom." Leftists who told lies to protect Stalin and protested so that Pol Pot could murder 2 million people are somehow martyrs and victims.
"Lots of NONSENSE and falsehoods in that post. Anyone who has actually studied American history knows that BOSTON and NEW YORK CITY were the hot beds of the American Revolution providing almost all the leadership for its early days.
Ever hear of the BOSTON Tea Party, the BOSTON Massacre, the Sons of Liberty? They were not composed of "country bumpkins". Or John Adams, Samual Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, Paul Revere, the Minutemen?
You are aware that most of the fighting in the Revolution occurred in New York State and New Jersey are you not?
It is bad enough when Liberals make up lies about American history but even worse when Conservatives do."
And there are a few bastions of Conservatism in Boston and New York today. And there are Liberals out in Flyover Country. But, by and large, most of the bi-coastal elites live in places like Boston, New York and San Francisco.
But the fact is, MOST Patriots were from the countryside and MOST Loyalists were city-slickers. Of course this isn't a 100% thing.
As for the Boston Massacre, six people died in it, hardly a great urban mass. The minutemen were from Lexington and Concord, country towns. Alexander Hamilton grew up St Croix, a little island in the Carribean. I learned that when I lived on St Croix. John Adams was born in Braintree, which was a country town in the 1700s.
No, I wasn't aware that the Cowpens or Yorktown were in New York or New Jersey.
Actually, Boston was laid siege by New England militias from the countryside. They were joined by George Washington and his Virginians and other Southerners. When Washington retreated to New York after the siege of Boston was lifted, most of the people there were Loyalists and didn't help him.
So no, your points are not valid at all.
"More crap. The FOUNDERS of this nation established it to be ruled by MEN.
God does not rule nations no matter what the Priests who claim to speak for him say. God gave man freedom not puppet strings."
Yes, God makes men free, and other men make men slaves. I believe I said that. More importantly, the Declaration of Independence says that.
"Those comments are true but not the same as the earlier ones. It is estimated that about 1/3 of colonists supported the Crown, 1/3 Independence and 1/3 didn't care.
Families were divided (Benjamin Franklin's for example) but that also does not validate the earlier claims.
British support was strong in the Carolinas as well as strong or stronger than in the NE."
Yes and most of the Crown's 1/3 were in the big urban areas and MOST of the Patriots were in the hinterland. And Charleston was a major urban center back in 1776, I believe it was the 4th largest city, it was where most of the Carolina Tories lived.
Actually it was in the big cities that most of the opposition to the Crown was centered as the names of the first battles indicate. Boston was the center and was the rallying point after the Crown put it under interdiction. The colonies rallied to its defense and that marked one of the first instances of unity among all the colonies against the Crown. For the first several years the movement to independence was centered in NY City and Boston. The hinterlands had nothing to do the rebellion until much later.
Tories were very strong in the western Carolinas not just Charleston. Any attempt to portray the back country as rebels and the cities as Tory is simply false.
"But the fact is, MOST Patriots were from the countryside and MOST Loyalists were city-slickers. Of course this isn't a 100% thing." No but it is a 0% thing since it is false.
"Alexander Hamilton grew up St Croix, a little island in the Carribean." Alexander Hamilton grew up in a CITY on the Island and left the Caribbean at the age of 17 to come to the Colonies to study. He lived in a CITY in NJ completing his college prep and for the rest of his life lived in the CITY of New York with an interval in Philadelphia when the government moved there.
Any city in 1780 except NY, Phil, Charleston, Boston was little more than a "country town" and some of the latter would be considered suburbs today. The isolated rural dwellers had little to do with the Revolution especially the beginning.
Most of the battles were in NY state and NJ as I said not ALL. One of the reasons Cowpens and Yorktown were fought was because Cornwallis wanted to join forces with the Loyalist militia's in the Carolina's.
Your ideological blinders prevent you from seeing a true picture.
Many nations ruled by theocrats made men slaves. Our nation was made independent by men who then established the greatest government history has ever seen. Theology was kept pretty much out of it. Presbyterians did play a significant role in both events with ministers calling for the creation of a free nation. But one should not confuse their voices with the voice of God.
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