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First of all, I think that anyone who says social conservatives will never accept Rudy are underestimating the intelligence of so-cons by implying that they are incapable of making sophisticated value judgments. Rudy Giuliani's record, both as the third most powerful official in the Dept of Justice in the Reagan administration, and as Mayor of NYC (an area whose population is larger than 40 out of 50 US states) is solidly conservative. He was one of the most successful crime fighters in modern US history, he cut crime by 57%, cut murders by 64%, inverted a $2.3 billion debt without raising taxes and, in fact, cut more taxes than any mayor in NYC history, abolished 20 taxes, cut 20% of NYC citizens' personal income taxes, cut the welfare rolls by 60%, graduated over 640,000 welfare dependents into the dignity of work, moved record numbers of jobs into the private sector, reformed the largest public school system in the nation, abolished social promotion and principal's tenure, established the nation's first and most generous Charter School Fund, and showed his appreciation for a strong national defense by going to great lengths to prepare NYC for terrorist attacks and then delivered 100% when the attacks actually came. Regardless of the lies that come from the MSM and beltway pundits, Rudy is not pro gay marriage, and in fact has always come out against it and pro traditional marriage, AND his personal views on abortion and gun control mean nothing when considered in light of his support for strict constructionist judges with strong conservative backgrounds (he named Roberts and Alito as ideal judges and he named Scalia as an ideal Chief Justice). Not only that, but he's the most electorally powerful Republican candidate we could possibly nominate, and would be sure to keep a Democrat out of the White House. If evangelical conservatives (like myself) will "never" accept Rudy as presidential nominee, than maybe we really are as ignorant and single-minded as some of you posters here make us out to be. Regardless, I have more faith in the intelligence and political sophistication of us so-cons.