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If We Want to Grow as a Nation, We Must Invest More in Education than Incarceration
BlackAmericaWeb.com ^ | December 15, 2006 | Judge Greg Mathis

Posted on 12/17/2006 6:32:35 AM PST by wintertime

Last year, more than 7 million American people -- that’s about one in every 32 adults -- were behind bars, on probation or parole. The United States has, for years, imprisoned more people than any other country in the world. Yet, we don’t have the highest literacy rate....

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Inner-city schools fail half of their students, and jobs are removed from communities, replaced with guns and drugs, resulting in incarceration, if you’re lucky; death if you’re not. Nonetheless, many U.S. states have cut their education budgets to compensate for rapid growth in prison populations and prison construction. The misguided priorities that inform such decisions have only served to further marginalize already oppressed populations. It’s time that this country shifts its focus away from imprisonment and commits its resources to education and empowerment.

In the past 20 years, more than a thousand new prisons and jails have been built in the U.S. Yet, our prisons are more overcrowded now than ever.....(snip)... The nation’s "war on drugs" and the stiff sentencing laws that grew out of that war are largely to blame.

......The numbers of individuals sentenced for drug crimes increased nearly 65 percent between 1996 and 2003, accounting for the largest increase in inmates in the federal system.

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If federal and local governments were to adequately fund the nation’s public schools, ensuring all students had access to high-quality teachers, tutoring and after-school programs, we could stem the growth of the nation’s prison population. With support, many could be steered away from drugs and the street life and pushed towards college or vocational school. Instead, the country has poured its money into a criminal injustice system that, instead of creating special programs designed to rehabilitate the low-level offender, corals these lost souls into the nation’s prisons. Upon release, having no education and no skills, many return to the lifestyles that landed them in prison. It’s a dangerous cycle, and only prison architects and big business benefit.

In 1977, I was incarcerated for seven months. I was told that it cost taxpayers $30,000 to incarcerate me. A year later, I enrolled at Eastern Michigan University under an affirmative action program. Because I was poor, I had to use loans and tax-payer supported government grants to pay for my education. The cost of my four-year education was $24,000, less than the cost of my short jail sentence. No longer a burden to taxpayers, I am a significant taxpayer, helping, through my tax contributions, to pave the way for others who’ve yet to get an opportunity to make a way for themselves.

The tax dollars used to support my education were a worthy investment, one that benefits all of society. America should take note and act accordingly.


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To: North Coast Conservative

Your wife is one of the saints of the system that provide some inkling of respite for those kids that want out. She is one of the few beacons of hope out there--and if anyone suggested that she is part of the problem--that would be one cold-hearted b*tch.


81 posted on 12/17/2006 12:38:28 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime

We spend more on K-12 and college every year, and the graduation rate keeps falling. Besides that, more and more of the freshman courses at college are the remedial type. Not only that, but enrollment in math and science courses is declining while the easy classes where plagiarism and cheating are nearly expected are ovepopulated. Besides that, following graduation the jobs are in service sector and brokerages, which aren't rocket science. This is a clear indication that we have just about arrived at BNW, which was detestable in the fifties but preferred now.


82 posted on 12/17/2006 12:46:43 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: KosmicKitty

The main problem is that blacks have failed as parents, which leads to their children commiting a disportionate number of total crimes in the U.S., and leads to their children performing poorly in school. If blacks were not such failures at parenting, their kids would be less likely to commit crimes and more likely to study.


83 posted on 12/17/2006 12:47:40 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: YoungSoutherner; wintertime

"Throwing money at them is not the solution."

Don't be absurd. It is the solution...if the money is being thrown at you. That is why the system can't be reformed - $600 billion a year in cash flow will be defended to the death by the beneficiaries.


84 posted on 12/17/2006 12:50:31 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: carolinalivin
What right to you or the government have to "allow" or not allow this behavior?

I don't allow or disallow this behavior. I'm just not going support the trash that does it. If you want to smoke dope and take other drugs till ye die it's fine with me. Just arrange for your rotten carious to get to the dump before you go.

85 posted on 12/17/2006 1:51:31 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: wintertime

The failed war on some drugs is buring up too many resources for zero gain. End it.


86 posted on 12/17/2006 1:53:18 PM PST by mysterio
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To: org.whodat
Your logic is without merit.

The problem with allowing unlimited drug use is, it creates uncontrollable addicts. The addicts in turn, rob homes, businesses and people on the streets to pay for the high cost of their drugs. Even if we made the drugs free to them, we would have to par their medical expenses and feed them. Addicts are not very much available or productive for gainful employment.

We can fool ourselves and think that they are only doing this to themselves and it doesn't effect us, but the record, statistics as well as past history proves that drug use creates costs/problems for society as a whole.
87 posted on 12/17/2006 2:01:37 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: pleikumud

The main problem is that blacks have failed as parents
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Government schools are utterly ill-positioned to deal with failed parents. Government schools can not dish out the politically incorrect moral, ethical, and religious advice that these parents need. They can not make the hard demands that these parents and kids need either. If government schools were to try, they run smack into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.


88 posted on 12/17/2006 2:05:08 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime
Government schools are utterly ill-positioned to deal with failed parents. Government schools can not dish out the politically incorrect moral, ethical, and religious advice that these parents need. They can not make the hard demands that these parents and kids need either. If government schools were to try, they run smack into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

According to your posts, you have never attended or taught in "government schools", nor did you send your children to them.

Yet you make pronouncements as if you were some sort of expert, even when your opinions are contradicted by people who do know something about public schools.

I don't suppose you see a problem?

89 posted on 12/17/2006 2:50:24 PM PST by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia
Amelia,

If you disagree with me, then explain why the points of my argument are false.

Attacking me personally is not useful. It is utterly irrelevant whether or not I have attended government schools. ( I have: 11th and 12th grade, and my children have briefly)
90 posted on 12/17/2006 3:10:53 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime
The only thing that will reduce people winding up in prison is their having acquired the right values. The problem is our publik skrools, thanks to decades of work by liberals, are unequipped to inculcate right and wrong and character into their charges. Unless that is done, throwing X amount of public money into education won't affect one iota the number of people who are incacerated in America. If liberals don't believe in character education, I don't see why we have to release thugs, rapists and murderers back into society because liberals didn't do the job they should have done in the first place.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

91 posted on 12/17/2006 3:16:53 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: wintertime
If you disagree with me, then explain why the points of my argument are false.

I have done so, at least in part, beginning with post #39, which you haven't responded to.

Attacking me personally is not useful.

I have not "attacked" you personally or otherwise. I have questioned your qualifications to make the sorts of pronouncements you are making on this thread.

On the other hand, you have made some comments about public school teachers, including at least one specific one directed toward another poster's wife, which could definitely be construed as attacks.

92 posted on 12/17/2006 3:20:27 PM PST by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia
Attacking my expertise or attendance at government does NOT address any of the following points:

Government schools are utterly ill-positioned to deal with failed parents. Government schools can not dish out the politically incorrect moral, ethical, and religious advice that these parents need. They can not make the hard demands that these parents and kids need either. If government schools were to try, they run smack into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

93 posted on 12/17/2006 3:35:11 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: goldstategop
Over 1/2 of all black children are born to single mothers. This is not fault of the public schools. However, it IS the fault of the Federal government. Back in the 1960's when welfare was building up steam, welfare benefits were cut if there was a man living in the house. There was a dis-incentive to have a father figure on a daily basis and therefore Uncle Sam became the defacto father and breadwinner. I'm telling you--Uncle Sam pretty much sucks as a father.

There needs to be tidal wave of change from the inside out to put pressure on women and men to stop breeding children they cannot take care of. The culture of "my baby daddy" is sickening and demeaning to men in general. One of the few lone voices is Bill Cosby--and he's right.

The scary part is that whites are about 20 years behind blacks. When the government is the father to the majority of children in this country, we will be in a world of hurt.

94 posted on 12/17/2006 3:39:50 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: goldstategop
If liberals don't believe in character education,

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Ah...but the liberal/Marxists DO believe in character education. They believe that all truth ( morals, ethics, and values) are relative. They are working hard to instill these values in the character forming choices of literature chosen, cultures studied, history, social "sciences" of all kinds, and especially sex education.

You see, Goldstategop, there is absolutely no such thing as a moral free school, or a culturally-politically-religiously neutral school. ALL K-12 schools teach values, moral, and ethics, and these ethics, morals, and values can NOT be all inclusive.

No matter how the government finally decides these matters, the government will establish the religious values of some, while undermining the most precious religious traditions of others.
95 posted on 12/17/2006 3:40:31 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: goldstategop

The only thing that will reduce people winding up in prison is their having acquired the right values.

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Government schools are utterly incapable of teaching these values. If they do attempt it they run smack into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.


96 posted on 12/17/2006 3:41:59 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime
Government schools are utterly ill-positioned to deal with failed parents.

I agree with you 100%. The problem is, given the current situation of the Federal and state governments, the constitutional constraints of ADA, IDEA, and civil rights laws, we are in a quandary. Nothing can be done at the school level to change the popular culture of hating authority (all authority from the president down to the beat cop), the glamorization of thug life, the insistence of immediate gratification, and the disdain for knowledge. Nothing can be done by the schools. The only ones in a position to change this are the parents! These would be the same parents who can't be bothered to feed their children in the morning, who stay out all night partying, who cannot read themselves. These would be the same parents who would be expected to fashion an education for their children if the schools were closed. They wouldn't. I'm telling you that as a fact. If a parent is too damn stoned to make sure their kid has a pencil and some paper for school, they are sure not going to stop their partying to teach them their ABC's.

Yes if every public school was closed tomorrow, each working person would keep a bit more money in their pockets, but the price of that few hundred a year would be devastating.

Rather than rant and rave at the public schools, why not go out and help? Ooops, that wouldn't work, it would offend your freedom of association. I hope to God that you never get what you want in terms of public schools. The rest of us would pay in blood while you tool on up the mountain to yet another ski vacation relieved that the traffic lanes are now clear of buses.

97 posted on 12/17/2006 3:47:58 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime
The responsibility should begin and end with parents. But its hard to keep your children on the straight and narrow when the publik skrools work so hard at every turn to undermine and eliminate parental authority in the area of character formation and the inculcation of values.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

98 posted on 12/17/2006 3:49:23 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: wintertime
I do agree with you about moral relativism. It ends up with the agreement nothing is right and nothing is wrong. That way lies moral bankruptcy. I am not one of those advocating a particular religion be taught in the schools. Every child should know though, Do and Don'ts Of Civilized Life: Do's - 1) Respect Authority 2) Treat Your Fellow Man As You Want To Be Treated, 3) Work Hard, 4) Learn To Be Saver 5) Help Others In Danger and Don'ts - 1) Don't Lie 2) Don't Murder Or Rape 3) Don't Steal 4) Don't Be Lazy 5) Don't Be Indifferent To Human Suffering. These are very basic rules of right and wrong every one can agree on are valid for all times and places regardless of whether you believe in a religion or in no religion at all.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

99 posted on 12/17/2006 3:54:55 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SoftballMominVA

These would be the same parents who can't be bothered to feed their children in the morning, who stay out all night partying, who cannot read themselves. These would be the same parents who would be expected to fashion an education for their children if the schools were closed.

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These reprobate parents are themselves graduates of amoral government schools.


100 posted on 12/17/2006 3:59:31 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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