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If We Want to Grow as a Nation, We Must Invest More in Education than Incarceration
BlackAmericaWeb.com ^ | December 15, 2006 | Judge Greg Mathis

Posted on 12/17/2006 6:32:35 AM PST by wintertime

Last year, more than 7 million American people -- that’s about one in every 32 adults -- were behind bars, on probation or parole. The United States has, for years, imprisoned more people than any other country in the world. Yet, we don’t have the highest literacy rate....

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Inner-city schools fail half of their students, and jobs are removed from communities, replaced with guns and drugs, resulting in incarceration, if you’re lucky; death if you’re not. Nonetheless, many U.S. states have cut their education budgets to compensate for rapid growth in prison populations and prison construction. The misguided priorities that inform such decisions have only served to further marginalize already oppressed populations. It’s time that this country shifts its focus away from imprisonment and commits its resources to education and empowerment.

In the past 20 years, more than a thousand new prisons and jails have been built in the U.S. Yet, our prisons are more overcrowded now than ever.....(snip)... The nation’s "war on drugs" and the stiff sentencing laws that grew out of that war are largely to blame.

......The numbers of individuals sentenced for drug crimes increased nearly 65 percent between 1996 and 2003, accounting for the largest increase in inmates in the federal system.

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If federal and local governments were to adequately fund the nation’s public schools, ensuring all students had access to high-quality teachers, tutoring and after-school programs, we could stem the growth of the nation’s prison population. With support, many could be steered away from drugs and the street life and pushed towards college or vocational school. Instead, the country has poured its money into a criminal injustice system that, instead of creating special programs designed to rehabilitate the low-level offender, corals these lost souls into the nation’s prisons. Upon release, having no education and no skills, many return to the lifestyles that landed them in prison. It’s a dangerous cycle, and only prison architects and big business benefit.

In 1977, I was incarcerated for seven months. I was told that it cost taxpayers $30,000 to incarcerate me. A year later, I enrolled at Eastern Michigan University under an affirmative action program. Because I was poor, I had to use loans and tax-payer supported government grants to pay for my education. The cost of my four-year education was $24,000, less than the cost of my short jail sentence. No longer a burden to taxpayers, I am a significant taxpayer, helping, through my tax contributions, to pave the way for others who’ve yet to get an opportunity to make a way for themselves.

The tax dollars used to support my education were a worthy investment, one that benefits all of society. America should take note and act accordingly.


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To: wintertime
These reprobate parents are themselves graduates of amoral government schools.

What makes you think they graduated, rather than dropping out?

101 posted on 12/17/2006 4:03:37 PM PST by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: goldstategop
You are 100% right about every basic value that kids should be taught. Here's the problem. Take a look at the top 40 urban song chart. Almost every single one of them go directly against basic moral values. Kids think more of rap stars than anyone else in the world. They embody everything that kids want--fun, games, drugs, sex, and a general good time.

Here's some sample top 40 songs.

Put Em in Their Place Mobb Deep

Getting' Some Shawna

Jiggle It! Young Leek

I Love My Bitch Busta Rhymes

Money Maker Ludacris


Think any of these songs promote good values for kids? The public schools aren't supplying these songs to the airwaves--the record companies are--and stations play them--and stores sell them--and parents allow them in their house.

Inner city schools have an uphill battle just to teach the very basics.

102 posted on 12/17/2006 4:04:01 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime

Some sure are--some are not graduates because they dropped out because no one gave a damn about them. So the great circle of life continues and will continue until someone cares enough to say "enough."


103 posted on 12/17/2006 4:04:56 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA
Rather than rant and rave at the public schools, why not go out and help? Ooops, that wouldn't work, it would offend your freedom of association.

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Softballmom,

What on earth did they teach you about the Constitution in your college of education?

If I volunteer then their is NO violation of Freedom of association. If the government were to force children into its buildings and force them to associate with those of the government's choosing, then we have a "freedom of association" problem.

There is no way to "help" the government schools. They have a problem with Establishment of religion and teaching the morals, ethics, and values that the children from these disadvantaged homes need.

So...the children attend amoral government schools and continue to pass on immorality to their children. It is time to break the cycle. Privatize universal K-12 education. Privatization would allow teachers and principals the constitutional freedom to demand that parents and students shape up morally, and dish out the important moral and ethical values that these parents and kids desperately need.
104 posted on 12/17/2006 4:06:53 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime
So because the kids started life with a parent who was inadequate, the kid should pay with a life of getting nothing? And then people like you want to take the one little bit of opportunity away so they can can go hang out on the streers getting jumped or sexed into a gang.

All the while those that can do for their children drive by the unfortunates in this new 3rd world country you have just created holding their noses and looking down at the poor -- maybe tossing a coin into the crowd to watch the unwashed grub for it.

105 posted on 12/17/2006 4:08:46 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: org.whodat

Thanx for personalizing your response to me. I don't do those things. I just don't believe's it's the government's place to "allow" them. That's what I was replying to in the first place.


106 posted on 12/17/2006 4:09:39 PM PST by carolinalivin
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To: wintertime
I was speaking of YOUR freedom of association. Why not go volunteer at a local elementary school?

Nope, you can't--you told me that already--it violates your freedom of association.You have already said that just LOOKING at the public school kids with their tatoos and goth hair and short skirt offends you and yes, YOU said, it violated your freedom of association. Your words, not mine.

In fact, you once said that it sickened you to see the pubic hair of girls hanging out of their clothes. Just how close do you get?

107 posted on 12/17/2006 4:11:39 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA
Yes if every public school was closed tomorrow, each working person would keep a bit more money in their pockets, but the price of that few hundred a year would be devastating.

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This is a stawman distortion. I have NEVER suggested that government schools be closed tomorrow. What do you expect me to do? Defend an argument of you own creation?

I have repeated posted that we should **begin** the process of privatization. "BEGIN" does **not** mean close the government schools tomorrow!

I have repeatedly posted that government schools should *****BEGIN**** charging tuition on an ability to pay basis.

I have repeatedly posted that government schools should **eventually** be funded with vouchers and tax credits. "Eventually" does not mean close the government schools tomorrow!

I have repeatedly stated, that in the end, the government schools should be given to the teachers and principals who run them now. These teachers and principals would be the owners. This say NOTHING about closing them tomorrow, or even closing them at all!
108 posted on 12/17/2006 4:13:02 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime

The writer is the problem, he is a living example of what happens when we bend so far over backwards that we find ourselves first standing on our heads and then toppling onto our knees where we try and stand again only to witness the revolution we have created where the problem, the previous aberration, as it were, is now the norm and yet we are asked to bend over backward again.

A few more times of this and we may find that we are actually traveling backwards while trying to go forward, a direction by now totally unfamiliar to us in our current dizzy state.

I want off!


109 posted on 12/17/2006 4:14:51 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: wintertime
Privatization would allow teachers and principals the constitutional freedom to demand that parents and students shape up morally, and dish out the important moral and ethical values that these parents and kids desperately need.

So in your bizarro world, your schools can punish parents?

When does the Constitution get re-written? Do you get rid of the courts system--you know the one established to uphold the law. What kind of punishment? Jail? Public execution? Are you the judge and jury? Or the principals and teachers? Will the principal and teachers be armed so that we can shoot on sight?

You gotta work through these details when you are talking about a complete overthrow of a world power.

110 posted on 12/17/2006 4:16:48 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime
So...the children attend amoral government schools and continue to pass on immorality to their children. It is time to break the cycle. Privatize universal K-12 education. Privatization would allow teachers and principals the constitutional freedom to demand that parents and students shape up morally, and dish out the important moral and ethical values that these parents and kids desperately need.

Nothing in there about "beginning" Just says--do it.

111 posted on 12/17/2006 4:17:53 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime; SoftballMominVA
Government schools are utterly ill-positioned to deal with failed parents. Government schools can not dish out the politically incorrect moral, ethical, and religious advice that these parents need. They can not make the hard demands that these parents and kids need either. If government schools were to try, they run smack into the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

To a great extent, that is true, and has been true for the history of American education. However, as SoftballMom pointed out, these parents are not going to be good homeschooling parents either, and are equally unlikely to respond to strict demands from private schools.

And I don't see too many churches sending missionaries to the inner cities....

As it stands now, public schools, as limited as they are, seem to be the only hope for many of these children. As I pointed out to you in post #39, there are programs which have been quite successful with even impoverished inner city children, but these programs are intensive and expensive.

So far, as a country, we don't seem very committed to actually giving many of these children a chance.

112 posted on 12/17/2006 4:19:10 PM PST by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: goldstategop
Yes if every public school was closed tomorrow, each working person would keep a bit more money in their pockets, but the price of that few hundred a year would be devastating.

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Undermining the family and parents is the goal of Marxism.

Also,,,think about the actual time parents do have for "quality" time.

Young children need up to 11 hours of sleep. Even teens need up to 10.

There is the hectic breakfast and rush for the bus.
There is the hour to two waiting for and riding buses.
The 6 to 8 hours in school.
The 1 to 2 hours in an after school activity.
The 1 to 4 hours of homework.
An hour or two just hanging out with **school***friends on the phone, outside, or on the Internet.

So...add it up. Tell me. Just exactly when are parents supposed to have this quality time to undo the sour influences of school and school friends? Answer: Precious little!
113 posted on 12/17/2006 4:19:10 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime
You posted this earlier and got blown out of the water then.

This does not even come close to looking like a schedule I have ever followed, and in fact, no one else said it looked like theirs either.

Stop trying to tell me what my day looks like. You don't know, you aren't there. Your arrogance in trying to describe my day is breathtaking.

So when you going to go volunteer at a school? Maybe read to a little 6 year old? Do some math?

114 posted on 12/17/2006 4:21:27 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime
Children this age need 10 hours of sleep at a minimum.

There is the rush in the morning to get dressed, eat, gather together papers, supplies, and projects, and then it is out the door. This is hardly relaxed time to just be a kid. ( about 1 to 1 1/2 hours)

Then there is the bus stop wait and trip to school. ( 1 at the very minimum to 2 or more hours a day in, on, or waiting for a bus.)

6 to 7 hours actually in school. During most of that time their socialization with other children is tightly controlled and highly supervised. In some cases, the teacher will rap the desk and sharply say, "We're not here to 'socialize' boys and girls!"

2 hours of homework

1 hour for meal time.

1 hour on the phone or Internet to socialize with friends, or possibly a video game.

1/2 hour to 1 hour reading alone or with a parent before bed.

This is what you posted a day or so ago. Why do you keep changing the amount of time spent? Looking for some magical combination that is the truth?

Don't try to describe what you don't do.

115 posted on 12/17/2006 4:25:17 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: ClaireSolt

"He wrongly blames the drug war and not the criminals."

Right. One need not break the law. No matter how stupid, you need not break it. Only rarely does someone break a law unknowingly and without knowing the basic penalty.


116 posted on 12/17/2006 4:34:40 PM PST by lawdude (2006: The elections we will live to die for!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We already spend an average of $10,000 per public school student per year, and yet half the inner-city kids graduating can't even read. Money is not the problem.

Exactly - as long as students are promoted to the next grade without achieving some sort of standards, the schools will fail.

Flunk those that don't meet requirements. Require a standardized test for graduation, and award diplomas only to those that pass.

117 posted on 12/17/2006 4:38:19 PM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Stop trying to tell me what my day looks like. You don't know, you aren't there. Your arrogance in trying to describe my day is breathtaking.

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Another strawman argument. I didn't even post to you.

There is one correction: 6 to **7** hours in school, not 8.

This schedule closely match that of my children's when they attended our local government school. I am certain that many will affirm the accuracy of it. The truth is that there is precious **little** time for parents to undo school influences of their institutionally educated children.
118 posted on 12/17/2006 4:44:40 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Oh please! These are merely estimates and they do vary from day to day. That is why I put in the time variences. Rational posters will recognize this. The will see the point that I am making.

There is precious **little** time in a institutionally educated child's life to undo the influences of school.
119 posted on 12/17/2006 4:47:17 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime
1-4 hours of homework? You gotta be kidding me. Mine has 5 AP classes and rarely has 4 hours of homework a week. She's very, VERY good about time management.

What about church? You only posted a schedule for the weekdays. We take ours to church every week, in fact, we normally take 1-2 classmates with us--just whoever she has invited this week. Not to mention the summer break, and Christmas break and Easter break. I have found that we have had plenty of quantity and quality time with both of my girls.

So is your argument that all publically schooled children follow only the morales and values taught at school? That these children are incapable of knowing right and wrong? that they are un-Christian children?

When you post something this way out "there is precious **little** time for parents to undo school influences," you need to think out the entire week, not just the times that fit your argement best.

120 posted on 12/17/2006 4:49:35 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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