Complexity of Islam feeds misinterpretation

Islamdaily ^ | 12/17/06 | Mansour El-Kikhia

[Earthdweller]

LOL. I know a guy with a beat up old pickup that would love that as a bumper sticker for Christmas. I'll bet they would sell like hotcakes.

[sageb1]

[353FMG]

1 "I was in favor of putting people from Islamic countries LAST in line for entry into the United States."
2 "I was in favor of having a mole/spy in every mosque in the United States."

1. Disagree. We should have NEVER allowed them into the country.

2. Disagree. Where can you find the Muslim mole/spy that you can trust? He may just turn against you and become a double-agent.

[Valin]

(Muslim) Informants in American Service
The Strategy Page ^ | June 4, 2006 | The Strategy Page

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1643576/posts
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray


A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it's no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.

There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things.

[outofstyle]

During a war, the Prophet saw the corpse of a woman lying on the ground and observed: "She was not fighting. How then she came to be killed?" From this statement of the Prophet the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after the war.

Ok. If we accept your thesis that Islam does not condone the killing of innocent civilians, what difference does it make? Consider that "Islamic scholars" justify the killing of all Americans because they say there are no innocent Americans. If the 9/11 murderers do not represent Islam and all its ancient complexity, why were there joyful celebrations across the middle east on that day? Why are there not massive demonstrations in Islamic countries against violent extremism?

Mainstream Muslims are extremists and they are my enemy.

[Van Jenerette]

In North Africa, there is no chopping of heads or hands or religious police...

Doesn't ALGERIA count, or does the author think that we in the USA all reflect our collective SAT scores?

Ohh...that's right...the Muslims in ALGERIA (read: NORTH AFRICA) tend to SLIT THROATS befor they chop off heads.

[Van Jenerette]

http://www.jenerette.com/read/real_islam.html

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"It's a wonder why these "all Islamics are the devil" types aren't protesting the U.S. for favoring "good" Muslims i.e. the Kurds, instead of fighting them all, if they truly believe that all Muslims feast on Christian and Jewish blood."

It's a wonder why so many seek to comment without an understanding of the enemy's ideology....

[word_warrior_bob]

I've answered your questions, care to comment?

[Fred Nerks]

there's a link to a pdf bio of the 'prophet' on My Page. Written by Edward, Canon Sell, a Fellow of the University of Madrass. Authentic and origional sources quoted throughout.

[R.W.Ratikal]

I see no complexity about the Muslim's hatred of the West. It is purely and simply based on envy, a case of the have-nots grasping at what they cannot themselves create.

Civilization, advancement, technology, discovery, invention, government, social institutions, are all in the West and beyond the reach of Muslims to develop..

CNN has brought it to the attention of the Muslims in recent years.

Eventually, Muslims will have to be dominated and controlled or, as one Muslim said of the Jews, "wiped from the face of the Earth."

[zimdog]

We are not conducting a "War on Terror".

Then what is it? The Nuke Mecca nutjobs would say its a War on Islam. Do you agree with them?

I want to use nuclear weapons to send a message and END this war before these lunatics nuke us. Harry Truman dropped 2 nukes and a civilization that was willing to fight to the last man, woman and child surrendered and ultimately became an ally.

Therein lies the difference. Imperial Japan was a civilization. We are fighting terrorists who are anti-civilization and control no territories, no cities.

[zimdog]

Do you trust them to NOT use a nuclear weapon against us when they acquire them? Would you trust Hitler to do the same?

I don't trust terrorists one bit. But I trust the free world enough to know that it is not inevitable that they get nuclear weapons.

What kind of enemy do you think we're facing and how should we confront them?

We're facing a terrible enemy that can't be pinned down to a particular place or government. We have to smoke 'em out and starve 'em out. If we kill millions of innocent people under the pretext of fighting terrorists, we create more hiding places for them.

[zimdog]

You've been insulting and I don't appreciate it.

Interesting that you do not recognize what's wrong about killing innocent people but you do think that I'm being mean to you when I point out that you and bin Laden both see no problem with killing innocent people.

[zimdog]

Can you name a WAR where innocent people aren't killed? If civilians are killed by "collateral damage" in a war, that's part of war.

Can you name a war where the point of the war is killing innocent people?

Here's a hint: It's leader launched attacks against our innocent people on 9/11 but tried to justify it by calling their deaths "collateral damage."

[bayouranger]

There is nothing complex about Islam...

Death cult BUMP!

[Publius6961]

Maybe you didn't read post #29?

Yes I did.
I read all of it. Not just the part you prefer to quote. It is a very good post that you or I might disagree with, but his conclusion is supported by prior stated facts. You could dispute the facts.
That is discourse or argumentation, and everyone profits from it.

This comes as a surprise to many, but opinions are not argumentation. Saying "I don't agree" is simply a waste of everyone's time.
At least that poster stated the foundation for his statement, unlike many posts which simply parrot the propaganda of the killers.

As an example of the "Hobson's Choice" we are facing:

In the recent abbreviated version of the documentary Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West", aired by FOX recently, the statement is made,.. "how likely is it that the US will be involved in an all out war with radical islam in the next 20 years?"
70% said very likely.

However, neither the hostess nor anyone else thought to wonder if it is an impossibility, given that the radicals are distributed pretty much evenly over every muslim country and you can't have a PC war and have any kind of victory. The "good" muslims, another several million strong, simply are not interested enough to stop the evil among them and must be destroyed along with the active radicals, or none can be destroyed.

So what would be the point?