Heads UP - Serious Chatter

Antimullah ^ | December 6th, 2006 | Alan Peters

[FARS]

I still cannot get a handle on exactly what is happening or supposed to happen. Got some vague calls last night. Trying to verify from other sources but nothing clear coming up - other than - as you say - forthcoming elections. Although I got the sense that what is about to happen is anti-mullah in general and not particularly about who is there.

[SunkenCiv]

A crash in the dollar would have more impact outside the US than inside it, because the Chinese economy would be crushed, and Europe would notice a decline in higher end auto exports. But anyway, currency fluctuations:

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[FARS]

"Similarly, they will ask the next Dem president: are you willing to send the US into depression during your administration? We didn't think so."

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I think you are assuming there is or there will be a choice. The aim is not blackmail but eradication and return of the 12th Imam.

All this is so strange to our values and mind sets that we look at it but fail to see it.

My effort is to have people truly see what they are seeing.

[FARS]

Yes! They would rather see millions - tens of millions - of Moslems dying of hunger and bringing them closer to their spirtual goal of creating enough death and destruction for their 12th Imam to have reason to return and redeem the world. That is what the Hojatieh is all about and so inconceivable to you and almost everyone else in the world.

They do not believe in countries, they believe in an Islamic caliphate that rules the whole world under Islamic Sharia law as it was 1,300 years ago, the word of Allah as written in the Koran and as spoken by the Prophet Mohammad.

NOTHING else counts or has value.

Now do you get it?

[FARS]

"Yahoo! Goods manufactured in the US will become more marketable."

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Not when the rest of the world has NO money either with which to buy even cheap American goods. Or any goods from anywhere. A dollar crash crashes the rest of the world with it.

Barter will become the sole viable channel of commerce of any kind.

[FARS]

It's not oil, it's currency. sleep well.

[FARS]

You speak of fluctuations - you should perhaps speak of crashes of demolition derbies as economies crash into each other outside the USA they destroy ours in the process. The Chinese are the biggest holders of our outstanding debt and we would not be able to service our debt, not even pay the interest on it, so our own economy would crash.

When there is nobody to whom to export our goods, nor because they ceased to manufacture for lack of cashflow, anyone to sell us goods we need, what do you think happens? To our economy?

You describe a chicken or the egg situation but it is more likely, since the value of the dollar is artificially kept high by being the sole currency with which to buy oil, that if it is unlinked from oil, the crash will arise insidethe USA and our crash will bring down everyone else. With China clearly at the forefront.

[Allegra]

LOL! Are you back in the States yet?

Nope. Still in beautiful, downtown Baghdad. ;-)

[Allegra]

Are you walking on glass?

No....nothing seems out of the ordinary here.

Not that this place is exactly ordinary.

[fat city]

The rumored nightmare of the Iranian Oil Bourse was supposed to happen last spring. When it didn't happen, I'd hoped the idea was untenable- looks like they're finally doing it.

Thanks for the post.

[redgolum]

It is not that they are insane. It is that they have a different set of core assumptions. We would view the chaos of collapsing world economies as a bad thing, they view it as a good thing.

They are going about their plan in logical order. They want the Mahdi.

[null and void]

I meant in your dream.

[r9etb]

There's always the secret moon base...

Where do I find the secret moose bane?

[Marine_Uncle]

"It's not oil, it's currency. sleep well."
It's about their desire to reduce the buying power of the US dollar by demanding all buyers pay in Euros dollars.
And this is but one small portion of the world's trade.
If all nations that export oil/gas along with OPEC decided to switch to Euro dollars as their means of payment then it would be a different story.
And countries, as well as the private sector who purchase oil/gas must use US dollars as their main means of payment for Iranian oil, tell Iran they will not go along with the deal then Iran is in a deep hole.
What I do see is their using it as a carrot/bribe to convince the Eurpoean nations to not side with the US as far as economical sanctions go.
Will the Russians, Chinese, South and Central Americans, Canada, exporting European nations (oil), Far East, Pacific Rim countries (all who export oil) go along with the Iranian wish to not accept US dollars in oil sales.
Iran can only push this stupidity so far. And surely growing numbers of the core Mullahs in Iran are becoming quite disenchanted with the policy changes of a few.
I do believe Mahmoud Ahmadinaejah and his promoters are going to find themselves out on the streets begging in the near future.
Along with his purging of old school Mullahs and other things like his demand to restructure where Iran keeps it's holdings etc., with of course his immediate master's approvals, he must be seen as a threat to the majority of Iranian of influence that do not go along with his mystical visions.
I believe we shall see him get the boot in the near future.

[Tennessean4Bush]

Not when the rest of the world has NO money either with which to buy even cheap American goods. Or any goods from anywhere. A dollar crash crashes the rest of the world with it. Barter will become the sole viable channel of commerce of any kind.

Baloney! You are overstating and misrepresenting the point of the article. A worldwide currency collapse is not what the article states is the cause for the dollar's fall. The dollar falling, according to the article (a point I am neither endorsing nor denying), has to do with a switch to another currency in preference on oil markets. So while the dollar is falling, another currency is strengthening, right?

[Mongeaux]

Where do I find the secret moose bane?

DUH! It's secret!

[mdmathis6]

I've been telling folks to enjoy their Christmas now, because we may be in 2 or three wars by next year.

The next year promises to be very interesting...!

[SauronOfMordor]

I think you are assuming there is or there will be a choice. The aim is not blackmail but eradication and return of the 12th Imam.

They would be willing to create a global bloodbath to achieve their aims. They might not be willing to provoke a bloodbath that would result in the eradication of Islam with the US left standing at the end. I'm assuming at least some rationality in the sense of them wanting to achieve their objective, rather than victory-less suicide

[FARS]

"So while the dollar is falling, another currency is strengthening, right?"

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Only for a very brief period till the falling weight of the dollar drags it down in a crash of its own.

A dollar collapse is so heavy no efforts to support it can succeed. Other currencies will shoot up against the dollar but because global economies are so interwoven, also apart from oil, the collapse becomes like a black hole sucking ever other currency into it and also virtually every other economy.

The survivors are those who grow their own food, weave their own cloth and can somehow need very little medical care. Barter becomes the final arbitor.

Unfortunately, as one of my friends remarked on this, if you hit people with a sledgehammer of truth and reality - as in this case - fear will make them reject you and the facts behind the premise.

[FARS]

You comments provide hope where I find little or none. From your lips to God's ears.

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There is such a demand for oil - artificial or otherwise - that removing Iran's production from the market will jeopardize the price and supply.

Though I will note that not too long ago Iran had a whole lot of unsold oil - buyers were trying to teach them a lesson - so they had to store in oil tankers at huge cost.

Unfortunately, the West cannot "control" Iran and its forthcoming Oil Exchange (Bourse) it is starting, because China, India and many of the former Soviet states, some with borders to Iran, require the oil and natural gas.

They will be happy to pay in other currrency, even more so to barter and with Iran still the second or third biggest producer, withdrawal of that quantity from the normal market and available only through Iran's new "Bourse" will bypass any efforts to resist a currency change.

Specially as initially till everything hits the fan, oil prducing countries that follow suit will make more money for their oil by selling in Euros. So they will not cooperate willingly with the West and Venezuela, possibly Nigeria and even Russia may add weight to the currency change.

Ex-KGB Putin would not mind making more money at the pleasant cost of seeing the USA go under. Russia is one those economies that could survive since it has little trade with the USA and can manufacture most of its needs (quality aside) from domestic capabilites and mining.

Also the Russian populace still has an ingrained submissiveness of the Communist era and would not rise up as would most European or Western countries against their governments. Futile though these actions might be since no government strongly involved in the global marketplace will have the resources to avoid or repair the crash of the dollar.