Posted on 11/13/2006 7:47:14 PM PST by CWW
Based on many comments I have recently read after Rudy Guiliani announced formation of an Exploratory Committee, it is obvious that there are many marginally republican voters who really don't care about conservative principles or about the health and life of the GOP. Many, sadly, have a win at all costs attitude, and that is exactly why we now are the minority party in both houses of Congress. We do not have to elect, and should not elect, a Rudy RINO Republican.
It's not just that Rudy Guiliani is not a conservative, he's not even close. Bush is twice is conservative, and he's a moderate by any objective analysis.
Rudsy is another BIG GOVERNMENT, CORPORATE MONEY, SOCIAL LIBERAL. Look at the brief record:
1. He's pro gay rights and has marched in the gay pride parade in NYC on many occasions.
2. He's not jsut pro-abortion, he's pro-partial birth abortion.
3. He's pro-embryonic stem cell research.
4. He opposes immigration and border control.
5. He would sacrifice the human rights of Christians in China and other oppressive regimes to satisfy the corportate crowd.
6. He's party of the high-ball, country clubbin, lobbyist crowd that has corrupted both parties.
7. He not only had a very public affair -- he shcked up with the whore in Gracey Mansion for pete's sake and was unapologetic.
If you want to know why the voters aren't voting GOP, it's because we let folks like Rudy take the party for a ride we don't want and don't really support.
And this is not just about one or two issues that conservatives differ with Rudy on. These are significant, weighty, life-altering issues that really matter!!!
Can me a disgruntled conservative, but I have had my fill of Arnold, the Bushes, Specter, Chafee, and the whole northeast liberal RINO crowd.
I have been a substantial donor to the party and have set up numerous campaigns and performed legal work for many GOP candidates. But if the party allows itself to be seduced by the likes of Rudy Guilliani or others of his ilk, that's a trip I won't be taking. I won't vote for Hillary, but I will stay home. At that point, there's really no difference in what the parties are offering.
Rudy is a gun grabber.
Sure, let's nominate an ultra conservative, so Hillary can beat him by 60/30 margin. Brilliant idea. (/sarcasm)
There are plenty of conservatives in the Republican party to choose from but all I hear is Rudy and McCain. I like Sonny Perdue, Governor of Georgia and I'm sure there are plenty of people here who can find fault with him.
Choose your own conservative but if you choose Rudy, please don't say he's conservative.
The Constitution party is gaining momentum. it just needs a few bold and bright individuals who are willing to have their lives and families poured over the fire of investigations if they have a political aspirations.
Sure, let's nominate an ultra conservative, so Hillary can beat him by 60/30 margin. Brilliant idea. (/sarcasm)
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Newt can beat her because he is not afraid of the MSM or exposing that evil Marxist witch. And Newt is a conservative. A patriot. And a fighter. And pro-Constitution. Got a better candidate with those credentials? I will vote for him.
Say smart guy -- how did Reagan win two terms?
Go ahead and nominate Rudy. It should be interesting to see the entire South go demoncratic again.
I like Newt too. I believe that when the Republican party is not conservative enough is when we lose. I also believe that's what happened in the recent election.
We need another R.R., I just don't see one on the horizon.
Where are your details?
Quote the speeches when he made these statements.
Provide news reports that support your rant.
One may say and have to do things as the Mayor of NYC that you would not do as POTUS.
Why not wait and hear the guy out first?
"We'd have to follow our core values and sit it out."
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Were you one of the ones who sat out this election, handing Congress over to the Democrats and then follow it up by handing over the White House to Hillary?
What brillian conservative strategy (/sarc)
These are the candidates the liberal press has chosen for us, because they're both....left wing!
Don't let the MSM do our thinking for us. They're not our friends.
Sure, let's have the Constitution party nominee play the role of Ross Perot and let's help elect Hillary.
Wouldn't you vote for an ultra-conservative over Hillary?
What makes you think a majority would not do so?
"Where are your details?"
Allow me:
Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:
--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989
--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992
--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989
--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett
--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997
--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.
--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.
--Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, Rudy said: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459
---Rudy Giuliani Endorses Democratic Governor Mario Cuomo October 1994: "From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, ˜Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City book by Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133
--Reaction to Giuliani Endorsement of Cuomo: "Once again, Rudolph Giuliani has demonstrated that liberalism is the foundation of his political philosophy. While Giuliani sold a bill of goods to trusting Republicans and Reagan Democrats that he had abandoned his roots as a McGovern Democrat, in his endorsement of Mario Cuomo, Mr. Liberal himself, he has shown his true colors. Giuliani's argument that Cuomo will be better for the city has a hollow ring to it. Perhaps Rudy wants a governor who will sign over a blank check to constantly bail out the city from its fiscal problems. Giuliani knows, as do all New Yorkers, that Cuomo's liberal policies have been an economic disaster for our city and state." "But Rudy doesn't care. He has proven he will do anything to stop the election of a conservative Republican - but he won't succeed." Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party Press Statement, October 25, 1994
--"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994
--On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights: "National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, "Mayor Giuliani said yesterday. "I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said. The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples. "I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country." New York Daily News, May 13, 1998
--On Gay-Rights/Gay Rights Bill: Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately. "I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action." ".......It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment." New York Post, June 5, 1993
--Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office. Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993
--Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal." quoting Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989
--On Gay Domestic Partnership: "I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership," said Rudy Giuliani on Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992
--On Abortion: Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing. New York Times, June 18, 1993.
--Rudy Guiliani on abortion: "I'd give my daughter the money for it [an abortion]."
--"I never called for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade." Rudy Giuliani, New York Newsday, September 1, 1989
--As mayor, Rudy Giuliani will uphold a woman's right of choice to have an abortion. Giuliani will fund all city programs which provide abortions to insure that no woman is deprived of her right due to an inability to pay. He will oppose reductions in state funding. He will oppose making abortion illegal. New York Times, August 4, 1989
--On Partial Birth Abortion: Mr. Giuliani has said that New York State law should not be changed to outlaw the procedure. New York Times, January 7, 1998
--On School Choice: "He doesn't support tuition tax credits and vouchers." Sandra Feldman, President of N.Y.C. Teacher's Union, 1993
--On Taxes: [Giuliani] says ruling out a tax increase is "political pandering." Newsday, August 31, 1989
--On Rudy's 2008 candidacy: "That dream of Rudy Giuliani as the man of 2008 was a fantasy created in New York City, and not something that is an accepted reality to anyone who knows the national Republican Party or even Washington Republicans," said the former White House official. "That’s the joke of this." Ben Smith, page 17 The New York Observer 12/20/2004 edition.
Reagan was 25 years ago.
The country shifted to the left since then.
Didn't the election barely a week ago teach you anything?
Please tell us the difference in Hillary and Rudy. They are both New York liberals.
I would definitely support Newt. He won us the house and senate last time with his contract with America. He can use it again, because he owns it. Newt will not cave to media pressure. He'll run conservative whether the MSM likes it or not.
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