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1 posted on 09/07/2006 1:04:27 AM PDT by Islamwatch
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2 posted on 09/07/2006 1:33:16 AM PDT by Cindy
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I think you have not only hit the nail on the head concerning Islamo-facism but of Islam itself.


3 posted on 09/07/2006 2:50:20 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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"...Pundits Liberals have overwhelmingly supported the notion that illiteracy, poverty and deprivation are the prime reasons behind the surge in Islamic radicalization and vioelnce..."

This is the same canard liberals trotted out during Vietnam...but they called it "PID".

"We wouldn't have to kill our brown and yellow brothers and sisters with bombs and guns if we would fight PID, Poverty, Ignorance and Disease instead..."

And then we could all link arms and sing "Kumbaya".

4 posted on 09/07/2006 3:29:56 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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…illiteracy, poverty and deprivation are the prime reasons behind the surge in Islamic radicalization and violence…

And all we have to do is give their Mullahs all our money and they will be happy and no longer try to kill us.
Oh, I almost forgot - we have to convert to Islam too.
MegaBarf

5 posted on 09/07/2006 3:32:55 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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And over it all --the Islamic despotism spoken of by Montesquieu back when these United States were mere
colonies of the Euopean powers.The Christian Bible and
the Hebrew Bible record there is nothing new under the sun.
My problem with the suggestion that the cause of Islamic
terrorism is ignorance and deprivation is that tired assed
arguement has been used here in America ,by the left--and
I've known too many from the hardscrabble parts of the Ozarks who did not turn to crime even in the face of the
very "causes" the libs claim cause crime.


7 posted on 09/07/2006 4:12:08 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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"Reasons behind Islamic terrorism"

The koran .


8 posted on 09/07/2006 4:17:53 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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Poor people with bad attitudes do not have bad attitudes because they are poor

They are poor because the have bad attitudes

I've made a study of Islam since 9/11, reading the Quran and Hadith. The Islamic culture revolves around conquest and pillage. When it's stopped from conquering and pillaging, to descends into a stupor -- for a while.

With the unearned wealth of oil, Islamic culture has woken up again. They are on their way towards conquering Europe without a shot, thru mass immigration and high birthrate

10 posted on 09/07/2006 4:40:19 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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Ah yes! The old "I'm poor, deprived and illiterate" defense!

Consider this:

Many Hindus are poor, deprived and illiterate, yet they do not go on killing sprees.

Many Buddhists the world over are poor, deprived and illiterate, yet they do not go on killing spress.

Many Christians the world over are poor, deprived and illiterate, yet they do not go on killing sprees.

If poverty, deprivation and illiteracy were the main causes of terrorism, then we'd see more terrorists from Bombay, Burma, and Budapest instead of Riyadh, Lahore and Aden.

The poverty/deprivation/illiteracy connection does not wash since there are people in non-Muslim lands who suffer under the same (or even greater) deprivation who do not vent their frustrations by hijacking airliners and slamming them into office buildings.

Speaking of the 9/11 attack, the majority of the attackers in that plot were of distinctly middle-class backgrounds, many college-educated. Those 19 men were certainly not "poor, deprived and illiterate". More like "perverse, depraved and indecent".

What DOES cause Islamic terrorism is a culture in which every aspect of human activity, from which hand one wipes one's bottom with, to whom and how many wives one should marry, in which economic, social and political activity are strictly defined and proscribed, is dictated by the words of dead lunatic, who created the guide for the world as he would like to have had it, and somehow managed to convince enough people that God told him that THIS is the way life is to be lived.

The lunatic was Mohammed, and the guide is the Koran. He is, in a metaphor most westerners would understand, that guy sitting at the corner stool in the local bar who muses "Wouldn't it be great, if...?", but who managed to actually work up the ambition to make it so. Mohammed, in this sense, was like Norm from "Cheers", only with a work ethic.

The first mistake Muslims make is to believe that Islam is a religion. It is not. It is a system by which every aspect of an adherant's life is systematically controlled, and given a religious patina. It is a system that totalitarian systems of the West would have recognized easily, and which the worst of them (The Nazis and the USSR) certainly wished they could emulate. It was created by a very small, and otherwise-powerless, man bent on revenge for slights, both real and imagined, and used to enlist people to his cause of visiting revenge upon the people who had deprived, ridiculed and insulted him.

Much like Nazism and Soviet Communism, Islam cannot abide anything, whether a rival system of belief or a foreign concept of personal freedoms divorced from orthodoxy. No rival to Islam can be allowed to survive. It ruthlessly seeks out and destroys any rival system that poses a threat to it. Like Nazism and Communism, it denies the existance of human nature, and believes that all human activity (and it's own eventual victory) is pre-ordained. It believes that human nature, when it does rear it's ugly head, can be controlled with violence or the threat of violence. It smothers the individual on behalf of the collective, which serves and props the system up.

It violently rejects the idea that authority can and should be challeneged if the human race is to advance in any meaningful way. As a result, the Islamic world, from all intellectual, artistic, economic, political, historical, scientific and cultural standpoints, is stunted. Nothing happens in the Islamic world that is not subject to the relentless scrutiny of religious orthodoxy. No potential threat to the status quo ante (the rule of the Imam, or the select elite, backed by or in league with, the Imams) is allowed to survive; the full force of religion (and often religion backed by the police or military power of the state) typically being brought to bear upon it, whether it is the concept of interest-bearing loans, women's rights, the power of the press, or Brittney Spears' belly-button on the television screen. If you doubt this, just recall that music (which leads to dancing!), television (which might actually inform the people or show them images that will lead them astray) and a free press (which might actually incite the people against the Imams) were all banned in Afghanistan. Note that most Islamic equivalents of said media in most other Arab/Islamic countries are strictly controlled and censored by religious bodies operating under government auspices. Just recall that the first printing press in the Islamic world was not sanctioned by the Ottoman Empire until 1825, and even then, it was only allowed to print the Koran.

Why? Because Islam is allergic to ideas. It is especially allergic to any idea which the Koran does not specifically address. The reaction, when this occurs, is not to revise or reconcile the dogma (which is the standard Judeo-Christian practice regarding conflicts between doctrine and progress)to new circumstances, but to destroy the offending concept and make it outlaw.

If you need a graphic example of just how stunted and culturally-retarded Islamic society is, we need only look at the toolbox of the modern, Islamic terrorist; intercontinental airliners, flight schools, cell phones, the internet, chemical explosives, international funds transfer, credit cards, the AK-47, the battlefield artillery rocket, the short-range ballistic missile, videotape, broadcast television (Al' Jazeera) and mass media, and last, but not least, the boxcutters used by the 9/11 hijackers, are all Western inventions. These are all the result of scientific, economic and cultural experimentation created under a system of secular rationalism.

What did the Islamic world provide?

Nineteen lunatics willing to die.

So, in the end, the poverty the Islamic world struggles under is not one of financial resources; it is a poverty of the mind. The deprivation is suffers with is not one of material goods and comfort; but a spiritual one. The illiteracy it contends with is not caused by a lack of books and people educated to read them; it is an inability to reconcile modernity with an outdated orthodoxy with which the underlying culture is too frightened to deviate from.

The first step in the liberation of the Islamic world is not to tear down the West, but to break free of it's own, self-imposed, mental chains.


11 posted on 09/07/2006 6:21:18 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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The cause is The Koran, an antiquated document that has no
relavence to today's world: Ideas going back to the 620's.


14 posted on 09/07/2006 8:19:15 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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