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To: Northern Yankee

I doubt that they were gung-ho Christians. But by "converting" they also renounced modern all modern Western secular belief - in things such as individual liberty, equality, and free will - by submitting themselves to Islam and thus to sharia, Islamic law. Islam is both a political system and a religious cult, and they accepted it.

I think this is a terrible precedent, and I think we're going to see more and more kidnappings and attacks where the Muslims demand that their victims convert. After all, it was pretty easy in this case; while the reporters were roughly treated and no doubt uncomfortable and afraid, it doesn't even sound as if they were tortured or seriously beaten or abused. Just the threat of it was enough to get them to publicly renounce their principles, thus proving to the Muslim mind that we in the West have nothing that is really important to us and for which we will fight.


4 posted on 08/30/2006 4:33:11 AM PDT by livius
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I think this is a terrible precedent, and I think we're going to see more and more kidnappings and attacks where the Muslims demand that their victims convert.

And it shouldn't be a surprise at all! They're just reliving their early history, aren't they?

6 posted on 08/30/2006 4:34:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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Just the threat of it was enough to get them to publicly renounce their principles, thus proving to the Muslim mind that we in the West have nothing that is really important to us and for which we will fight.

It means nothing. Let's not get carried away because a couple of guys didn't want to die over a phony, coerced "conversion."

No "principles" were renounced.

7 posted on 08/30/2006 4:36:45 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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Just the threat of it was enough to get them to publicly renounce their principles, thus proving to the Muslim mind that we in the West have nothing that is really important to us and for which we will fight.

These men do not deserve to be criticised for refusing to martyr themselves. They have families that are happy they didn't.

37 posted on 08/30/2006 7:42:49 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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