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To: MamaTexan
Are you claiming that States can write laws that ignore the US Constitution and infringe on our 2nd amendment rights?

LOL! Heaven's no!

The States have the right to bear arms provisions too.

California does not, and thus contends that it can prohibit arms; -- do you agree that the 2nd should apply as our supreme law in CA ?

No.

Just above you agreed that states should not infringe on our 2nd amendment rights. -- Which is it, yes or no?

The US Constitution is for areas under the jurisdiction of the federal government ONLY. It has no authority within the jurisdiction of the State.

Article VI directly contradicts your comment.

If the federal Constitution was meant to cover the entire country, why are the Bill of Rights duplicated almost word for word in every State Constitution? Why do the State Constitutions even exist?

Because State constitutions must be approved by Congress before they are admitted to the union. --- And if a State makes changes after admission, changes that violate the US Constitution, such infringements can be struck down as unconstitutional.

Why does a State even have to have a Constitution? Why can't they just agree to abide by the federal Constitution and be done with it?

Because States write laws that the feds can't, and their constitutions apply to those laws.

Why do States have the ability to 'change' anything if they can be overridden by the federal Constitution?

Because State constitutions apply to laws written under State powers, unless those laws violate our Law of the Land.

The contention in the article that the federal Constitution is for the federal government, so the establishment clause does not affect the States.
I agree, and have submitted evidence to support that claim. - Do you have any historical or legal proof to the contrary?

In my first post here I quoted the Constitutional proof [Article VI] that our Law of the Land is supreme over "-- any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding. --"

Learn to live with that proof -- as it cannot be logically denied.

21 posted on 07/10/2006 12:33:22 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Just above you agreed that states should not infringe on our 2nd amendment rights. -- Which is it, yes or no?

LOL!

Do you know the different venues of law?

Do you know the difference between an inalienable right to defend yourself and the right to keep and bear arms?

Self defense is a natural, inalienable right. No government, or political subdivision, can deny your exercising that right, and it doesn't matter whether you use a Glock or a glockenspiel to do it.

It is outside the reach of their authority, PERIOD. Just because government doesn't acknowledge that right doesn't mean that right doesn't exist.

The right to keep and bear arms is a positive law, or man made right, and reinforces our natural right of self defense by specifying an object which we can do it with. It doesn't ban or prohibit anything, it just says "Yep, there it is!"

Do you know the difference between a declaratory and a restrictive clause?

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Learn to live with that proof -- as it cannot be logically denied.

And I showed you where the States retain supremacy in their jurisdictional areas....so your 'proof' went *POOF*!

25 posted on 07/10/2006 1:18:46 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a * legal entity *, nor am I a 'person' as created by law!)
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To: tpaine

By the way Mr Paine, if any mention of God by a state is UnConstitutional, as the ACLU would have us believe, then about half the states'Constitutions are Unconstitutional

Florida Constitution PREAMBLE-

We, the people of the State of Florida, being grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, in order to secure its benefits, perfect our government, insure domestic tranquility, maintain public order, and guarantee equal civil and political rights to all, do ordain and establish this constitution.


The Alabama State Constitution Preamble runs:

We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.


And so on for 20+ other states. Does this mean we are not a part of the United States? Is the bond between our states and the US dissolved? Do we need to form a Confederacy? Or is the ACLU just full of knockwurst? Which is it?


44 posted on 07/12/2006 12:59:26 AM PDT by Cato Uticensis
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