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Aircraft fail due to technical reasons or market reasons or both (A380)
RichardAboulafia.com ^ | June 2006 Letter | Richard Aboulafia

Posted on 06/22/2006 8:48:32 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

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1 posted on 06/22/2006 8:48:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 06/22/2006 8:51:20 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Got this at work today, but it was as an official Teal Group market analysis (read: paid for via subscription), so I didn't think it could even be passed on in an email, let alone posted. Glad to see it is the public domain.

May it get read far and wide. Absolutely devastating in what he says and spot-on in his analysis.

I doubt the Germans - let alone the French - would be willing to take the hit to national pride it would take to abandon the A380. They will let it's failure be their downfall. I fear they will end up being rescued by their governments via subsisdies and a bloody trade war will ensue as there is no way a bailout of Airbus can be seen as fair under WTO rules. Boeing would be stupid not to fight this one to the bitter end.

3 posted on 06/22/2006 8:58:22 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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Airbus erred. They thought there was a market for super jumbo jets.

A few airlines agreed, for a while, but most are coming to realize that the growth markets aren't just in jumbo capacity, long haul routes. The expansion of short and medium haul routes, coupled with long haul capabilities gives Boeing the advantage of economy.

Buy a fleet of 787's and use them everywhere. Buy a fleet of A380s and you're stuck operating specific routes where the long haul market is large and consistent, which are quite few and heavily competitive. And the markets with short and medium haul needs aren't likely to have the airport facilities to handle the A380, nor are they likely to go to the expense of upgrading.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 8:58:42 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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You made the first call to scrap the A380.

That might just happen!


5 posted on 06/22/2006 8:59:16 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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Marketing 101: You do not produce a product and demand people buy it; you divine a demand and provide the product demanded.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 9:02:18 PM PDT by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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They also forgot to talk with me and lots of other air passengers.

Personally, I don't want to fly on a plane with another 554 people.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 9:08:39 PM PDT by garyhope
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Personally, I don't want to fly on a plane with another 554 people.

Oh, this is just the introductory small version. The A380-900 is supposed to carry 800+ passengers.

8 posted on 06/22/2006 9:10:57 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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This reminds me of the US Auto industry in the 60's. Build them bigger and put on tail fins and everything will be okay. I keep looking for those fins on the 380, they must be somewhere.

Boeing did the market research and Airbust didn't. Boeing studied the market for over a year. They even explored a joint venture with Airbus based on the a doubledeck 747. Again it was panned. Airplanes should be built to satisfy maket needs, not to compensate for the small members of European leaders.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 9:11:45 PM PDT by appeal2
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"Airplanes should be built to satisfy maket needs, not to compensate for the small members of European leaders."

Beautiful. Well put!

10 posted on 06/22/2006 9:18:04 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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I thought from the beginning that Airbus was way over estimating the market for widebodies this size. But according to Abaloufia, there is/are major technical problem/s as well. I also heard that a number of top execs with Airbus dropped a load of shares on the market last week. May the SEC of Europe have good hunting.


11 posted on 06/22/2006 9:20:49 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Murtha is truly an EX-Marine...his motto, "nunquam fidelis")
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...the market doesn’t want a monopoly. Customers will encourage anything Airbus does to reinvent its product line. That’s another reason to think about canceling the A380 and moving on.

Makes a lot of sense. What would Boeing do without a competitor?

12 posted on 06/22/2006 9:22:05 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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I think Airbus rolled the dice, expecting 7's, and is slowly realizing they are about to get snake eyes.


13 posted on 06/22/2006 9:35:01 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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What would Boeing do without a competitor?

/sarc

14 posted on 06/22/2006 10:01:29 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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They would own the frickin' world, of course. And maybe they could finally make me some sharks with frickin' lasers attached to their frickin' heads.


15 posted on 06/22/2006 10:04:11 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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16 posted on 06/22/2006 10:06:28 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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Makes a lot of sense. What would Boeing do without a competitor?

But there are other potential competitors. What if Embraer or Bombardier decided to start building an A320 and 737NG competitor? What if the teamed up with a company like Lockheed to build a fly-by-wire medium to large wide bodied aircraft with a similar cockpit as Embraer or Bombardier? Lockheed did build a technically superior wide bodied aircraft to the DC-10 in the seventies and eighties. Lockheed's problem with the L-1011 was that it was not part of a family of aircraft the way Boeing's and to a lesser extent McDonald Douglas's were. A coordination between a regional jet manufacturer and an older company previously in the commercial aviation business could have quite a bit of potential and decrease the cost and risk of becoming a competitor to Boeing or Airbus.

17 posted on 06/22/2006 10:09:40 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Victory is mine!

18 posted on 06/22/2006 10:09:58 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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19 posted on 06/22/2006 10:11:28 PM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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20 posted on 06/22/2006 10:16:28 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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