Sino-Soviet Border Disputes (March 1969)

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[sergey1973]

During the early years of the Cold War, most Americans looked on China and the Soviet Union as a two-headed monster, separate nations but essentially the same Communist beast. It took a virtual war between the two for Washington to realize how deeply divided the Communist superpowers actually were -- and how that division might be played to America's advantage.

Incipient tensions between the Soviet and Chinese Communists dated back to the 1930s, when Russia supported Chiang Kai-shek rather than Mao Tse-tung. In the early days of the People's Republic, Russia and China appeared to stand together. In 1950 Mao Tse-tung signed a Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance with the Soviet Union, which offered China a semblance of security against American attack. But almost immediately the Sino-Soviet alliance began to show signs of strain.

[sergey1973]

An interesting historical article on the history of Soviet-Russian relations. Will it be an indicator of upcoming border disputes between Russia and China despite seemingly cordial relations between Putin and Hu Jintao ? China did not forget that it lost a large piece of it's territory to Russian Empire (The Far East) in 19th century and Chinese are moving into Russian Far East steadily. Will Putin understand that cozying up to China can imperil Russian territorial holdings in Far East and perhaps the entire Siberia ? Here are a few more articles on the topic of Soviet-Chinese relations.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sino-soviet-split

http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article-9313563

[sergey1973]

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[sergey1973]

PING ! An interesting historical Article on Soviet-Chinese relations and the 1969 border dispute.

Span, I thought you might be interested to learn some historical facts about Soviet-Chinese relations as related to our dispute in the other forum .

[sergey1973]

PING ! An interesting historical Article on Soviet-Chinese relations and the 1969 border dispute.

Span, I thought you might be interested to learn some historical facts about Soviet-Chinese relations as related to our dispute in the other forum . Apologize beforehand if you don't want to be pinged on this.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

In 1941, the USSR delivered a trainload of strategic materials to the Germans...about half an hour before the invasion started.

Wonder if the ChiComs will do the same thing.

[sergey1973]

"In 1941, the USSR delivered a trainload of strategic materials to the Germans...about half an hour before the invasion started.

Wonder if the ChiComs will do the same thing."


As one philosopher said: "Those who don't remember history are condemned to repeat it".

[sergey1973]

Another article on this period.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/15/spotlight/

[G. Stolyarov II]

Perhaps one of the reasons for the strain between Russian Communists and Chinese Communists was the hyper-nationalism of both - especially after WWII. Communism is theoretically supposed to be an *international* ideal - applied irrespective of national of ethic identity. But both Stalin and Mao - once in power - found that arousing nationalist sentiment is an effective way of controlling the masses. Nationalist sentiment - especially of the extreme chauvinistic variety - inevitably carries with it resentment of foreigners - even like-minded foreigners.

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[sergey1973]

"But both Stalin and Mao - once in power - found that arousing nationalist sentiment is an effective way of controlling the masses."

Exactly right. Both Stalin and Mao were evil geniuses in manipulating nationalist and patriotic passions of their countries. It's hard to give a complement to mass murderers, but you've got to give a credit when it's due.

[spanalot]

"Apologize beforehand if you don't want to be pinged on this."

Bring it on - I love when you communists try to airbrush from history the fact that Russia funded Mao to exterminate 60 million people.

[sergey1973]

"Bring it on - I love when you communists try to airbrush from history the fact that Russia funded Mao to exterminate 60 million people."

span--you need a doctor -:)))

[sergey1973]

BTW, span, you can rant against me or anyone else who challenges you with arguments backed up by a sound research.

You can call me a "communist" or anything else you wish, but if you won't back up your counter arguments with the well-researched historical facts, trustworthy references, or elementary logic, you will simply continue to show yourself as a chatterbox who can't hold a rational discussion.

Your smears and rants are simply not working with me. I prefer a sound research when discussing any serious topic, whether it's history, politics or current events.

[spanalot]

This myth of SinoSoviet animosity is another mainstay of Russian propaganda.

Communist China was a creation of Comintern and Russia.

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As for the indigenous nature of Chinese Communism, the authors provide solid evidence proving how the entire Chinese Communist movement was funded, led and run by Stalin and the Comintern. The impetus for Chinese Communism came from Moscow, that had control of the Chinese Reds in the same fashion they controlled all Communist parties throughout the world. Chou en-lai was first picked by Moscow as their man to create an army and plant secret Reds in the highest ranks of the Nationalist forces, after returning to China for the Comintern. Chou also set up the Chinese KGB, ran its assassination squad, and showed total obedience to Stalin and Moscow’s line.

[sergey1973]

At least you reference the book now.

As for Soviet-Chinese Animosity--it's not a myth, but a historical fact. Stalin was helping Mao initially, but the they were bickering even before he got to Power in 1949 regarding alliance with Cheng-Kai-Shek against Japanese, etc. In 1949-1953, Stalin and Mao were allied in Korea war against US and the Western allies.

After Stalin's death and especially Kruschev 1956 speech denouncing Stalin (although not Communism as a system), relationship started to deteriorate and nearly escalated into a full scale war in 1960's. There were border skirmishes in Far East between USSR and China in Damansky Penninsula (Zhebao) and in Dzezkazgan (now Kazakhstan). The mass starvation of Chinese peasantry during "Great Leap Forward" happened years after Stalin died in 1953 and there is no evidence that Kruschev supported these Mao's policies.

If you find a book that he did, than pls let me know.

Regards,


Sergey