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FairTax - The Advocates Strike Back
Mike Moffat and Al Ose | June 2006 | Mike Moffatt and Al Ose

Posted on 06/07/2006 3:47:07 PM PDT by pigdog

FairTax Strikes Back - Introduction On April 8, 2003 I wrote my first article on the FairTax proposal. The article FairTax - Income Taxes vs. Sales Taxes detailed the costs and benefits of moving from a system of income taxes to a system of sales taxes. In the article I concluded that "[the]FairTax is an interesting proposal which is unlikely to ever be implemented." The response I received to this article was overwhelming. I've gotten hundreds and hundreds of e-mails on the article, every last one of them from a FairTax supporter. While many of the supporters had something negative to say about the article (and its author), one FairTax supporter wrote a number of intelligent, passionate e-mails about the benefits of the FairTax system, and pointed me towards studies supporting the FairTax.

That supporter is Al Ose, author of the book "America's Best-Kept Secret: FairTax." I was quite impressed with Al's e-mails, so I invited him to write a pro-FairTax article for Economics at About.com. This is that article.


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To: Your Nightmare
From the lead-in article, the writer Al Ose displays good insight:

"Clarity is certainly lacking in our tax system. Most people are not aware that businesses have never, and will never pay taxes. They do raise the price of their products to cover the cost of any tax, but it is impossible for them to open a magic drawer and come up with money to pay taxes. The only source of income for this restaurant is the food they sell. You will see that taxes are part of their expenses. If they do not collect enough money to cover their expenses they will go out of business."
41 posted on 06/07/2006 7:49:35 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: groanup
Well, the IV amendment says something about unlawful search and seizure, doesn't it?
If you think your fourth amendment rights are being violated by the income tax, maybe you should take it to court. I'm sure they've never heard that one before.
42 posted on 06/07/2006 7:49:41 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: pigdog

I've never heard one working person say that they're against a fair tax.

Now, welfare-leaches would probably have a different definition of "fair."


43 posted on 06/07/2006 7:52:25 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Your Nightmare
Geez'um. Aren't we sensitive? People have called me (and others) some really foul things - like a"hole, Wacko, psychotic, need to get back on your meds, surprised you're even allowed to be on the net, you need to be in an institution - etc . Now those I call over the top - and wondered why the mods don't nip their poison little fingers,,,but I never whined or reported them.

The 'names' you are so sensitive about seem mild - but I guess not in this day of PC where NO ONE is to be OFFENDED not EVER - says so in the Constitution! (Oh, it doesn't? well then>>>>>>)

44 posted on 06/07/2006 7:53:01 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: pigdog
The only source of income for this restaurant is the food they sell. You will see that taxes are part of their expenses. If they do not collect enough money to cover their expenses they will go out of business
And businesses go bankrupt every day. How is this possible if they can just raise their prices to cover all their expenses?
45 posted on 06/07/2006 7:53:10 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare

Be sure and let us know what the Admin "advises" you since you seem so unsure as to what course to take.

In the meantime, I'll offer you my hankie if you need it.


46 posted on 06/07/2006 7:53:24 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
... but he should be ...!!!

I second that - probably why I always think of him as a senator rather than "only" a congresscritter -

47 posted on 06/07/2006 7:56:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Your Nightmare
Ahhh - heard ya the first time :O)
48 posted on 06/07/2006 7:58:35 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Your Nightmare
As most of us, except you, perhaps, there is no "flat tax". That's merely a general classification of certain types of income-based taxes masquerading as consumption taxes by clever theoretical definition.

They are all still income-based taxes and suffer from the common fatal flaws thereof some of which are shown on this post.

All you're admitting to by such a comment "I support the flat tax" is that you support a form of income tax - which you've made abundantly clear on these threads.

49 posted on 06/07/2006 7:59:12 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
In the meantime, I'll offer you my hankie if you need it.
You carry a hankie? How quaint. I'm sure it's lovely, but no thank you.
50 posted on 06/07/2006 7:59:54 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: pigdog

"perhaps" s.b. "Perhaps, know". 'Pologies!!


51 posted on 06/07/2006 8:00:34 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Your Nightmare
Your must really be angry and I'm sorry about that if I am the cause. Did you pound your keyboard with your fist twice?

Sure. Everyone knows that Ann is the master of real debate...

Well, one of the main points of her newest book is that liberals don't debate, they appeal to a higher authority, much like you did, in order to make their case. As in "it's for the children" so that they won't have to make a point, just appeal to innate instincts.

I didn't realized I was taking advantage of any anyone. I don't think pigdog's constant name calling is appropriate for FR and I asked the Admins for advice.

His constant name calling since 1998 has all of a sudden got you stirred up? The day after he was banned? It had nothing to do with kicking a man when he's down?

Exactly, it's not about calling those who disagree with you names.

I don't know that I have exactly been called names on these threads, certainly nothing as bad as "nightie". I have been told to screw my self, been constantly called a liar, been villified as a cultist, been told I drink fair tax "kool aid", been told I am ignorant, stupid, dishonest, uninformed most of the time without any further reasoning or explanation.

Doesn't make it right.

Not saying it is. Just saying my skin is a lot thicker than worrying about cute variations of my screen name.

So you admit his name calling is a transgression.

Sure. If it bothers you so much why don't you run and tell the admins? I'm sure they will rescue you from such horrid tactics. What you call name calling is hardly the sin you make it out to be. "nightie, rongie, looie, rightie", c'mon. It isn't like he's calling you "dumbass".

Name calling is usually a sign of a lack of ideas.

You can accuse PD of fierce debate but you can't accuse him of lack of ideas or putting his money where his mouth is. He wades in with you guys a lot better than I do.

52 posted on 06/07/2006 8:02:44 PM PDT by groanup (Shred For Ian)
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To: Your Nightmare

That might best be left to that fellow who posts the same stuff about wanting to resume with the Articles of Confederation and it tax system again.


53 posted on 06/07/2006 8:02:49 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Your Nightmare
And businesses go bankrupt every day. How is this possible if they can just raise their prices to cover all their expenses?

Ummm, I dunno , Ummm - maybe because there's a limit to what people will pay and they would also go bankrupt - they have to dance on the middle ground...

54 posted on 06/07/2006 8:03:27 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Your Nightmare
No. I support the Flat Tax.

Well congratulations. What you support is what we have. I hope you're happy.

55 posted on 06/07/2006 8:04:26 PM PDT by groanup (Shred For Ian)
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To: maine-iac7
Gheeze - I offered him my hankie but he's so bent out of shape that he's too snippy to take it.

And it had SUCH pretty lacework, too, I KNOW he'd have liked it.
56 posted on 06/07/2006 8:06:19 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
As most of us, except you, perhaps, there is no "flat tax".
Yes there is. S.1099


That's merely a general classification of certain types of income-based taxes masquerading as consumption taxes by clever theoretical definition.
Yeah. We wouldn't want are tax system to be clever, now would we. The Flat Tax taxes wages, not income.


They are all still income-based taxes and suffer from the common fatal flaws thereof some of which are shown on this post.
You're referencing your own post as proof? For anyone interested in real information on the Flat Tax, the Heritage Foundation has published "A Brief Guide to the Flat Tax." It's worth a read.


All you're admitting to by such a comment "I support the flat tax" is that you support a form of income tax - which you've made abundantly clear on these threads.
I support the Flat Tax. The Flat Tax is a consumption tax. I support a consumption tax. I'm sorry if it's too "clever" for you too understand.
57 posted on 06/07/2006 8:06:37 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare

And ducks sneeze every once in a while too ... so what???


58 posted on 06/07/2006 8:06:57 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
;o)
59 posted on 06/07/2006 8:09:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: Your Nightmare
If you think your fourth amendment rights are being violated by the income tax, maybe you should take it to court. I'm sure they've never heard that one before.

No? My financial records belong to the big bad fed gov. I'm sorry, I only posted an excerpt before. Here is the fourth in its entirety. Maybe you should read it.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So since my personal records are subject to search and seizure by the IRS it would seem that my rights are violated wouldn't it?

60 posted on 06/07/2006 8:09:18 PM PDT by groanup (Shred For Ian)
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