Posted on 05/21/2006 7:02:19 PM PDT by Sunsong
I'm reading all this as something of an outsider - as I'm not a follower or supporter of biblical scripture, because as we see, it can be manipulated to for whatever arguement you want to express, and the discussion gets bogged down in semantics and biblical wrangling.
Also, if I'm not a Christian, then you can quote the bible as much as you like, and the listener will say "That doesn't relate to me because I'm not a Christian or a Jew."
End of arguement!
I'd rather deal with the issues on a 'common sense' level. The talk of 'biblical abominations' means nothing to me. I respect that other people live their lives by Scripture, but when arguing about something like homosexuality, I personally feel that it muddies the waters and distracts from the practical issues.
Please don't take offence at this comment. It isn't meant to offend.
From my own position, I see homosexuality as a sexual perversion that, by it's nature, is intrusive. It is a condition that 'wants' to include others. It can be learned at a vulnerable age when encouraged. Indulging in homosexual sex by those who may wish to experiment, can 'infect' the mind with a taste for it.
These are things that I know from plenty of experience. I'm not talking about this as a heterosexual who hasn't experienced homosexuality 'hands on'. I have a practical understanding of it, and to allow it to be promoted in schools and upheld as a positive alternative to heterosexual is basically 'unfair' to those children who need to be taught a better way.
I'm being restrained in how I am expressing this, but homosexuality is dangerous to those who may be inclined to explore it. It changes lives.
For me and many people, it has nothing to do with whether it's biblically right, or if eating pork will condemn you. It is much more to do with 'common sense' and protecting the young and vulnerable.
Just my own take on this.
With respect.
Mikeyc - thanks for your comments. Whether homosexuality and its promotion is against Biblical truth is very relevant for those who follow (or are trying to follow) the teachings of both the Old and New Testaments. But for those who aren't, there are many, many reasons why promoting homosexuality is disastrous. And those reasons are extremely compelling and everyone should know what they are, and people like Sunsong should get a grip and a clue.
You are going off the deep end here by attempting to disparage Sacred Scripture...
FIRST, your post #35 shows objectively your intent and coordinated efforts to argue and promote an agenda contrary to that of opposing the homosexualization of society on FR. Your continued personal attacks comprised of accusations of hatred and obsession are but the unfounded hate mongering enraged leftist screams one could find daily on DU attempting to support any number of morally devoid leftist causes e.g. the normalization and acceptance of the homosexual disorder, abortion, "homosexual rights", "homosexual marriage", etcetera ...
The reference and argument contained in this post alone would most likely get you zotted if the issue was pushed; however, I choose to give you the opportunity to cease your activities yourself FIRST. I suggest you set aside your self destructive attempts to normalize the homosexual disorder as something innocuous and comparable to any other number of social maladies. EVEN with a Mary Cheney hood ornament -the leftist vehicle you attempt to drive on FR grand tour has no engine premised in reality nor fuel premised in truth and as such can never leave the parking lot of delusion...
But when you cross the line and start up an obsessive, hate-filled campaign that invades people's private lives - then, for me, that reflects on you and says that maybe you can't tell the difference between what is your business and what is not your business.
Oh yes, you are going off the deep end here -implying falsely that those who oppose the homosexualization of society are somehow hate filled and invading privacy???
SIMPLY PUT:
To take one of your moral relative attempted equivocators as example: IF & WHEN those who who engage in adultery with each other stage adultery pride parades, demand special rights based upon adultery e.g. "Adultery Rights", and attempt to indoctrinate children in schools to learn all about "Adultery Orientation" Then MAYBE you might have a point... Until then, conflating the homosexual disorder with adultery or ANY OTHER social malady is a non starter...As I stated prior in post #45 I suggested you start an adultery agenda ping list or whatever other flavor of ping list you feel necessary. YES, go for it and see for yourself how politically impotent the argument is to attempt to build consensus around -I would venture it to be almost as politically impotent as the primary advocates of such arguments -the leftist dummies...
Sorry to jump in and steal your thunder, gidget7.
To me, the reality that faces children in schools each day, being brainwashed with lies for the benefit of homosexuals, is a very clear basis for arguement.
Living in probably the most secular country in the world (the UK), the religious arguement gets lost here. The secular arguement against the homo agenda is the only one that can be effectively used... and unfortunately, very few people seem to be using it in the UK.
Sorry but you have indeed contradicted yourself. *If* abomination is such a terrible thing - then why are you not interested in *all* abominations?
It may be that it is too threatening for you to be honest with me as to why you pick this issue above all *sin* out there to focus on. But you are not convincing that the reason is because it is an abomination or because they flaunt their sins since there are plenty of abominations and plenty of people who flaunt their sins.
Since I have shown the hatred that is expressed here. I have made my case. If this is as far as you can go - then that is fine.
I'm still waiting for you to show me other sins and abominations that you are focused on. As I said when you can do that or explain to me why homosexuality is the worst sin there is on the planet - I will not take you seriously.
From my own position, I see homosexuality as a sexual perversion that, by it's nature, is intrusive. It is a condition that 'wants' to include others. It can be learned at a vulnerable age when encouraged. Indulging in homosexual sex by those who may wish to experiment, can 'infect' the mind with a taste for it.
That can just as easily be said about heterosexual sex. Sex can be misused and it can be made dirty. I think that is pretty well understood and why it is something that children should not engage in.
I wish you well in you life. My mother is from Bristol and I am fond of Enland - besides being grateful for Tony Blair's and England strong support in standing with us in the war on terror.
LOL! That's a great pun even if you didn't mean it as such!
I was thinking of Communist, not merely Socialist nations. The former U.S.S.R. imprisoned gays and lesbians. Homosexuality was criminal in Cuba and China as recently as 1997. And the same way that homosexuality was removed as a psychological disorder in the 70's, the Chinese Classification and Diagnostic Criteria of Mental Disorders eliminated homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses on in 2001. It is strange that Communists and Socialists historically have such different attitudes on this issue.
It is strange. Thanks for writing in.
I think it shows that Mary is not loved by her parents at all. She is and probably always has been endulged. Welcome to postmodern parenting. "We just want you to be happy." It's about feelings, not truth. Poor Mary.
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