Posted on 05/19/2006 7:18:41 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
At 4:23 PM today, TruthOut issued a non-apology apology over Hoaxmas. It sort of looks like an apology but it really ISN'T an apology. What it really is is a heaping load of of unadulterated BULL. As we shall see, not even the DUmmies are buying it. So let us now jump right in with the lame NON-APOLOGY APOLOGY typed out in a fit of desperation by TruthOut's Marc Ash in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, hoping that Pied Piper Pitt has a designated driver wherever he is tonight, is in the [brackets]:
The Rove Indictment Story as of Right Now
[Deeply immersed in a huge load of bull.]
On Saturday afternoon, May 13, 2006, TruthOut ran a story titled, "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators." The story stated in part that top Bush aide Karl Rove had earlier that day been indicted on the charges set forth in the story's title.
[And Marc starts off right away trying to feed us a heaping pile of bull since the story did not state that Karl Rove had earlier that day been indicted. It flat out stated that he had been indicted the PREVIOUS DAY. Not only that, Pied Piper Pitt shouted out in DUmmieland that the indictment would have "May 12, 2006" on it as the date. Please continue piling it on, Marc...]
The time has now come, however, to issue a partial apology to our readership for this story. While we paid very careful attention to the sourcing on this story, we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle. In moving as quickly as we did, we caused more confusion than clarity. And that was a disservice to our readership and we regret it.
[God forbid you issue a FULL apology for peddling a FALSE story. And what does it mean to get "too far out in front of the news-cycle," Marc? You drinking from the same sauce bottle as Pitt? Why don't you just UP FRONT state whether the story was TRUE or FALSE?]
As such, we will be taking the wait-and-see approach for the time being. We will keep you posted.
[Yeah, you keep us posted on whether the Tooth Fairy stole those Karl Rove indictment papers. Even the DUmmies can't swallow the bull being served up by Marc Ash as you can see starting on DUmmie HOAXMAS THREAD #17 where the TruthOut Non-Apology Apology was first posted.]
Not only does it not clear anything up, it doesn't say anything at all.
[Didn't you get it? TruthOut got so far in front of the news cycle that they got run over by their own cycle.]
"too far out in front of the news-cycle". I don't know what that means.
[Pitt can explain it to you if you buy him a drink.]
It means "we're trying to spin that we were completely wrong".
[LOL!!! And a Kewpie Doll to you!]
non-apology, it's not a retraction nothing has changed. they are digging themselves into a deeper hole They also, have not pulled the story or the headline on the home page. They are standing by their story.
[Pitt is standing on Rove's indictment paper that is dated (according to him), May 12, 2006. No ifs, ands, or butts.]
i think it means that they got out in front of reality
[Don't get too far ahead of reality or it will run you over.]
????we erred in getting too far out in front of the news-cycle??? What in blazes does THAT mean? We apologize for being ahead of the curve??? That's not helpful. It's a non-apology apology. I suppose it is a shred better than nothing, but it still does not address the fundamental issues; the 24 hour business, the lack of a verifiable indictment which was not said to be sealed in the report, or the issue of the three/five/seven sources and the baker's dozen set of eyes that supposedly vetted the work.
[And don't forget the 15 hour lockdown with the Secret Service of Patton Boggs. Oh, and Sonny Crockett too!]
The whole "24 hours to get his affairs in order" thing was made up. Ask any lawyer.
[Inluding an OldLeftieLawyer.]
That's a complete non-explanation of truthout's goalpost-moving
[It took them 24 business hours to move that goalpoast.]
ROFL! They're just easing into a complete retraction...
[We've gone from Frog Walk to Retraction into the Turtle Shell.]
This incident probably caused a civil war at truthout. There have to have been staffers at truthout who didn't want their site to have anything to do with Leopold or his "investigative reporting".
[They were all outvoted by the Magic Man. And now on to DUmmie HOAXMAS THREAD #18 where the DUmmies are even MORE skeptical about TruthOutTheDoor's Non-Apology Apology.]
So, wait they're officially apologizing for "getting too far out in front of the news cycle?" What is that? They're apologizing for the the timing of the story, but not the content? Are they addressing the content of the story at all in that partial non-apology? It doesn't look like it. What "wait and see" approach? The story was wrong - why can't they simply correct it? That's really lame.
[Even the DUmmies think this TruthOut "apology" is really Pittiful.]
No more truthout for me. No More rawstory or truthout for me. I will stick to DU, Huffingtonpost, Johnconyers jnr Blog, michalemoore.com and bartcop.
[Giving up heroin for crack?]
And now I have to go slap my shop steward for getting me to go to T.O.
[And then slap yourself for remaining in DUmmieland.]
Right now, w/this non-apology for a non-story, they've just prolonged the questions & the inevitable embarrassment of a retraction. It's been a week - of continuing stories, clarifications, & new and improved details from Leopold. And this is the best explanation they can come up with? Was the story right, or was it wrong? Defend it, or retract it, but don't try to manipulate people & hide behind meaningless statements. At a newspaper, these editors & reporters would be fired.
[Or promoted like Jayson Blair at the New York Times.]
"getting too far out in front of the news-cycle" = making shit up
[To be precise, Pitt Shitt.]
It's so unbelievably arrogant for them to come out w/this cavalier non-apology, after the story's already been proved false. Really, who do they think they are? Are they not accountable to their readers? The "news cycle" & "wait & see" thing was extremely patronizing - it's almost like they're trying to fool people all over again. Were they really expecting people to buy this? I can also see why Leopold found such a home there. I used to think they got duped, but this non-explanation now makes me think that they're in it as deep as Leopold is.
[Based on past experience, they were confident the DUmmies would buy it. After all, they were just $10 away from indicting Karl Rove.]
I see now why Jason Leopold was able to get work with this group. They're as nuts as he is, but they're not as smart as he is.
[Jason Leopold is smart enough to NEVER try confessing his innermost secrets in DUmmieland under a transparent "Temporary Sockpuppet" identity.]
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. This weasel bullshit is the best they could come with? "Too far out in front of the news cycle" - unbelievable. There must not be a banquet hall on earth big enough to hold their egos. I literally am speechless.
[A state in which Pied Piper Pitt NEVER finds himself.]
I am *pissed*, to say the least. All I have wanted is for Rove to get his. You led me on for a good week, TO! I am so *sick* of this whole era! I wish there was such a thing as a time-machine so I could just *get away*! Everyone just lets me down, all the time! It's an f-ing nightmare! Why can't I just wake up & have it all be over?
[Take a Time Trip to the Era of the Eloi. However, there will ALWAYS be the Morlocks ready to devour you wherever you go.]
There is more class in this one post... that Will Pitt has shown on DU for a long time. I truly believe his fame went to his head, and he forgot that much of that fame came from the help he received from DU. I remember when he used to post his articles here and have them editted for FREE by people who cared for the truth. Then when DU had helped him to tighten them up and make them better, then he would post them over at TO. DU helped make Will Pitt and TO, and what do we, and most importantly the admins get? They get called cretins.
[Did you help Pitt edit his Hockey Puck Geopolitical Treatise in which he proclaimed that the Third American Empire was born in the midst of fans cheering America's 1980 Olympic hockey victory over the Soviets?]
here's why this story was not plausible from the beginning does anyone really think that "white house staffers" would tell Jason Leopold the time of day, let alone something like this? the folks in the whitehouse are all bush cronies. they aren't going to leak something like this, and if they did, they certainly wouldn't call up JL. the scenario of "multiple sources" flocking to JL to tell him something this sensitive is just not plausible. but this only happened because WE all WANTED to believe it so badly.
[I thought Jason's assertion of Sonny Crockett as a source was pretty credible.]
you know flags should have gone up once the article was published
[Instead, DUmmie victory champagne bottle corks popped on a mass scale.]
Wasn't Joseph Wilson himself supposedly one of the sources?
[That was definitely Pitt's drunken assertion. And now the DUmmie Demolition Derby proceeds to DUmmie HOAXMAS THREAD #19.]
These threads make me laugh out loud.... So damn entertaining.
[LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!!!]
Is Jason Leopold the James Frey of Journalism?
[A Thousand Little Feces.]
Maybe he's the Jason Blair of the Blogs?
[Or Boggs.]
It's a non-apology, for a non-story. Fitting, I guess.
[Edited by a soon-to-be non-person.]
Word on the street is that Will Pitt is composing his 2,934th DU goodbye forever post.
Thank you PJ for the most delightful week that I have had in a long time.
I guess I was down some about the President's poll numbers and worried about the up coming elections.
Ater reading every single post on your DUmmies FUnnies I can only say that better days are coming!
134. I was amazed at the "baker's Dozen Eyes" sources statement.. it was pretty well lampooned somewhere, I think KOS..
A "Baker's dozen" eyes would have to include a CYCLOPS, or perhaps a Pirate.
Whoa, a thought here.. if you are DRUNK and SEEING DOUBLE then How many SOURCES DO YOU SEE? (and what about a DRUNK CYCLOPS, do they SEE in STEREOSCOPIC VISION WHEN LOADED?)
Now THAT, ladies and gentlemen is FINE REPORTING.
LOL. Cymbalhead has got a sense of humor.
DisgustedTX (935 posts) Fri May-19-06 10:44 PM Response to Original message
16. As a cretin, f**kwit, and of limited mental capacity
I laugh at this atrocity.
You know, Pitt owes Skinner & the DUmmies a MASSIVE apology. That is an essential ingredient that is missing. He calls them every derogatory name he can think of and then scampers away, all while expecting them to "have his back."
I think the drunken attacks on his biggest supporters, and the lack of an apology, will be his biggest undoing of all. The DUmmies who may have been able to forgive the bogus story and chalk it up to a "journalistic brainfart" may be far less willing to forgive a remorseless assault on them personally.
No way! Tell Anna 'Congratulations!!' I myself am an awful speller, espcially outloud - I'm one of those people that have to write it down to spell it properly.
This may very well be true. But, when dealing with the lack of intelligence I've seen displayed this past week, I won't hold my breath.
One other factor: We could also see a shakeup in the DU community; those who side with Pitt/Leopold vs. those who don't. That's another dynamic to watch for.
I wonder what he's going to do now? Try to weasel out of the mess? Try to just talk about other stuff as if it all never happened? Go on the attack (again)?
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Sat May-20-06 07:27 AM
Response to Original message
111. Hey, Will. Remember that thread you said you were going to start...
demanding apologies to Jason Leopold from the doubters?
It appears that the only person at DU who owes anyone any apology is you, for your tirade last Sunday night and also for the torturous week you put DU through.
You manipulated people here, cause more division than this place has experienced since the primaries, and you directly insulted DUers and the site owner.
Your next post should be an apology--if you come back. And you will come back, because you've threatened to leave 100 times before, but you always come back.
I guess we sh*tdog f**ksh*t cretins are important to you, for some reason.
He may not come back as long as they keep beating on him. If things cool down he may return sooner.
It's kind of like professional wrestling, isn't it? Leopold & Lib as Hall & Nash leading an NWO breakaway contingent. "Turns," "heels," "faces," "heat"--it's got it all.
SOMEBODY SHOOK UP THE ANTS!
You know, I think I can see Pitt in that "Rorschach" picture!
LOL! Well if we did at least the DUmmies would be doing something useful for a change.
Cindie
I had the mods delete my last message for Will's foul language I did not catch.
Anyway - just keeping these for history's sake:
This post will most likely be deleted down the skinner hole. But for posterity I copied it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1241124&mesg_id=1244622
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Sat May-20-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #221
224. More like this:
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon May-15-06 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #13
52. Dear Skinner Updated at 1:42 PM
(Quoting Skinner's Post 13)I think Daou pretty much nails it. Jason Leopold and Truthout have stuck their necks waaaaaaay out there on this one. If they end up being wrong, then they will do it spectacularly and publicly. I cannot imagine that they would stick their necks out this far unless they believed that their story was airtight. But damn, right now they are out there all alone on this one. I find it very hard not to be skeptical. They must be sweating bullets over there at Truthout. They put it all out there. Fucking ballsy. If they're right, they will be right spectacularly and publicly. (End Skinner's post quotation)
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When this story pans out, and all the little fish try to swim home, I am going to say "Sorry, you had the chance to stand with an ally, and instead, decided to say 'I find it very hard not to be skeptical.'"
You could have asked. I would have gladly explained the inside sourcing that I cannot reveal publicly. I would have told you. Happily. I would have explained how Joseph Wilson independently verified a half dozen other sources, none of whom are connected. We had a guy **deleted**.
I'd have told you, had you asked, because you are owed that much. But sadly, no. You threw me and Jason and truthout under the bus. Publicly, because you do not have the COURAGE to stand with someone who has stood with you. You couldn't even do it silently.
This was a wheat-from-the-chaff moment, and you failed. You spend a good deal of time talking about standing strong, but you publicly fxxxxd one man who has stood stronger for you more than any other. Name for me please the New York Times and international best-selling book, translated into twelve languages, that thanks you and your site above anything else. First and foremost.
There is one. Only one. Mine. Before my own mother, I thanked you.
Yeah, yeah, we're 'ballsy' if we're right. But you made it 100% clear that you don't think we are. You could have asked. I'd have let you in. But no, you decided to cover your own axx.
You're in the wrong business.
I am disgusted.
You are no better than the cretins who have taken control of your site.
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