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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

If anyone believes that once an elected CP candidate gets into office, they'll govern differently from an elected conservative Republican

Well, since we haven't had anyone govern as a conservative Republican since Reagan I'll take that as an endorsement of how they would govern.


81 posted on 05/18/2006 4:59:58 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Darkwolf377
What party in the last 100 years has gone from nothing to the Presidency?

Actually, that does not have to be the story line. What if existing 'fed up' conservatives and border controllers from both the Republican and Democratic Parties defected to the Third Party. Instantly a third party would appear with a size-able chunk of power. Winning the Presidency might then just be an afterthought.

Anyone know the current laws concerning switching parties in midstream for Senators and Reps (State and fed ?).

82 posted on 05/18/2006 5:00:36 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Mo1
3/4 of the congressional races are not competitive. The parties just pick who will best do their bidding. The voters have been gerrymandered and demagogued into letting the parties have the power - not the voters.
83 posted on 05/18/2006 5:02:28 AM PDT by nitzy (Every man needs a credo)
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To: justa-hairyape
What if existing 'fed up' conservatives and border controllers from both the Republican and Democratic Parties defected to the Third Party. Instantly a third party would appear with a size-able chunk of power. Winning the Presidency might then just be an afterthought.

That's a perot-like fantasy.

The Libertarians have been around since 1971, and where have they gotten? They're philosophically a lot closer to this imaginary new third party than any other.

This "mass defections" idea is completely unworkable. The politicians would instantly lose all party support with no guarantee of new support; as soon as they put out feelers to this new third party they would be cut off from their current one. Then you have two halves of a Republican/Conservative party and the Dems the overwhleming majoirty.

You don't just invent a party overnight and think there is an easy shortcut. It just doesn't happen that way, never has, and certainly won't in thie new media age.

85 posted on 05/18/2006 5:04:03 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Been there...done that...don't work....

Next idea...

86 posted on 05/18/2006 5:04:50 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: CWOJackson

And, as with the Reform Party, it will take someone with significant $$$ to form such a 3rd party. It takes money. Ross Perot used his person fortune to establish the Reform Party. Buchanan wheedled his way into it and absconded with some $12 million and destroyed the Reform Party in his own selfish interest.


87 posted on 05/18/2006 5:04:52 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: sgtbono2002
I did not know Teddy Roosevelt. Certainly I have studied history and seen the grainy video images. I will say with confidence that Teddy was not perfect and made many mistakes but indeed he was a great President nonetheless and more of a liberal than many Republicans would like to remember. A man's image becomes larger than life as time passes. Likewise, I did not personally know Ronald Reagan although I had the please to vote for him. I can also say with confidence that he was not perfect and in some cases did many more things that would be characterized as liberal than George W. Bush. Yet now many Republicans hold Reagan up as a standard of Conservatism. Again, a man's image becomes larger than life as time passes. Do not lament about yesterday's great politicians. They were just as fallible as today's politicians and they did just as many "dirty" deals in order to get things done. Count on it.
88 posted on 05/18/2006 5:05:18 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: FerdieMurphy

Actually the time is ripe for a LIBERAL third party!
Especially if Hillary gets the nod.

I have not forgotten what Nader did to Al Gore in 2000. Nader stole 90,000 votes from Gore in Florida! Nader gave the election to Bush!

We need to encourage the anti-war socialists to run their own canidate against a war-mongering Hillary (who voted FOR the Iraq war!)...The hard left will fall for it just like they did for the anti-corporate greens.


89 posted on 05/18/2006 5:06:22 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: dalight
The answer is called PRIMARIES.

This cannot be repeated enough.

The answer is right there, has always been there, yet some around here want to remake the wheel instead of doing the boring, hard work that has always been the route to electoral success. I don't understand it, frankly. Are we now just lazy and emotional and want the childish satisfaction of wiping the board clean of all the "wrong" people and just expect them to be replaced by dozens of "right" people?

90 posted on 05/18/2006 5:06:32 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: VanDeKoik
So after this vaulted 3rd party goes down to a humiliating defeat, but not after sucking enough votes off the GOP to give the wacky socialist from the DNC factory the win, how are you going to "save the republic" then?

Perhaps history can be the guide. Prior to 1994, most people thought the Republicans would never ever control the US House. In fact, I distinctly remember the leader of this Rebellion, Rush himself, even plainly stating, 'look, the republicans will never control the house'. Guess what the first election of Bill Clinton gave us just 2 years later ?

Why don't we borrow that worn out line that poor people use to justify spending their little meager savings on state lottery tickets

'You cannot win if you don't play'.

92 posted on 05/18/2006 5:08:33 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Mo1
I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism .. though I do question their priorities

Yes, yes, as do I. I regret that every time we must parrot that PC line about "not questioning patriotism". I feel liberals have really lowered the bar on what must now be accepted as patriotic.

94 posted on 05/18/2006 5:09:32 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: varon
Your beloved GOP and it's devoted followers will do it for you.

I'm planning to invest in therapist couches stocks just after the next election. It will be wild to see all those Goppies rushing to the therapists and chasing away the Kerryites after the 08 election.

[I don't see anything on the horizon that will prohibit Hillary Clinton from taking the White House. As scary as that is, I don't see any GOP having the stature or support to stop her. The GOP is too split on major issues to mount an effective candidate who can displace her.]
95 posted on 05/18/2006 5:10:15 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: nitzy
3/4 of the congressional races are not competitive. The parties just pick who will best do their bidding. The voters have been gerrymandered and demagogued into letting the parties have the power - not the voters

Well they should be more competitive regardless of who the party picks

Many movies in Hollywood don't do well because of the money spent in advertisements .. they do well because of the content and word of mouth from the people

Get the candidates in the primaries and let he best candidate win

96 posted on 05/18/2006 5:10:48 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: justa-hairyape

Bill Clinton never won a majority of the popular vote. But for Ross Perot, Clinton never would have won in 1992, when he was elected with 43% of the vote.

Clinton won because of a combination of his own incredible talents as a politician, the incredible ineptitude of his opponents in '92 and '96 and Ross Perot. Absent Perot, Clinton definitely loses in '92.

The only way Hilary can win is if you have a similar combination of events. She is a very poor candidate compared to him, but Republicans could still nominate a clown, and some idiot could still run as a third party candidate and bleed away Republican support.

There's a war on, and this is no time to indulge in ideological purty at the price of giving the White House to the party of defeat and surrender.


97 posted on 05/18/2006 5:11:04 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: FerdieMurphy

The GOP truly earns the title, the stupid party. This split between members is being planned by the new worlders and it is designed to make bubba and the boss President again.


98 posted on 05/18/2006 5:11:43 AM PDT by winodog (I fear the swamp more then trespassers, muslims, china, etc,etc. Dust off the DOI)
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To: FerdieMurphy

We already have a third party! The Libertarian party is available for anyone who doesn't want to sell out!


99 posted on 05/18/2006 5:12:37 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Darkwolf377

I believe that the writer of this article claimed that the Constitution Party polled the best in a three way 'triangulation'. To be viable right now, the third party must be tough on the border.


100 posted on 05/18/2006 5:14:26 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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