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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

For quite some time, 20 years at least, conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists have been frustrated with political reality in America. The ‘Republican revolution’ of 1994 bore small fruit, that establishment Republicans let wither and die on the vine. In the place of promises of smaller government, fiscal responsibility and stronger defense of our liberties and sovereignty, the Republicans have given us what the Democrats wanted to give us: bigger government, larger debts, and big-brother government with fading liberty and sovereignty.

The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists. There’s not a whole lot of difference is there? What we have running our country are a bunch of power hungry one-worlders who basically chose up sides to play their game and are only concerned with their team (political party) being in control. Either way we get the same raw deal.

Not since the 1850s has the political environment been so ripe for the emergence of another political party onto the national scene in a manner that will allow it to ‘play with the big boys.’ Back then, it was the newly formed Republican Party that came on the scene and eventually eclipsed and killed the Whig Party. If a political party, whether it were to be a newly formed party or one of the current third parties, was to make the right move, it could dominate the right, become a defender of the Constitution, and truly get into the game with the ‘big boys.’

The Democratic Party has sold its soul to socialism and every leftist special interest or perversion known. The Republican Party is tearing itself apart due to the left-leaning elites that control the party, ignoring its conservative base. A new conservative party could pull in the disaffected voters who’ve given up on our political system, and also draw in conservatives hopelessly clinging to the Republican Party. The remaining liberal Republicans would simply fold themselves into the Democratic Party, where there hearts really reside already.

According to a recent Scott Rasmussen’s survey, a third party candidate could easily take a third of the votes in a national election if they made preventing illegal immigration and enforcing our immigration laws their key issues. In fact, if Hillary Clinton was to run for president in 2008, without a third party candidate focused on illegal immigration, the survey shows nothing can stop Hillary from winning. Basically, we will have another Clinton in the White House in 2009 if a conservative third party candidate doesn’t come forth and champion U.S. sovereignty and fight illegal immigration. The survey shows that a third party candidate can win in a three-way race. Hillary wins in a two-way race between Democrats and Republicans. But a third party President facing a Congress split between two opposition parties could mean a seriously failed presidency. That is why a third party would have to ensure candidates run for the House and Senate at the same time, and do so with a ‘joint game plan’ with the presidential candidate. If the ‘Contract with America,’ where candidates ran on a group platform, worked in 1994, it can work in 2008, linking a third party’s presidential candidate with that party’s congressional candidates, all sporting the same key issues and ‘running together’ after a fashion.

With this in mind, neo-con Republicans would no longer be able to scare conservatives into voting for them simply based on the idea that ‘if you don’t vote for us, the Democrats will control everything.” This worn out line has really lost its impact; especially with how the Republican controlled Congress and White House have spent the last five years acting like Democrats.

But what party to form, or which party to look to? To try and form a new, independent party now, looking two years ahead, is a daunting task. I question if this can be done in a manner that will be effective. Looking at existing third parties, which ones have fairly viable organizations that stretch across the country? There are only two I’m aware of that meet the organizational criteria: the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party. Both, overall, tend to hold fairly sound, traditional views on limited government, fiscal responsibility by government, and limited international involvement (leaving that involvement to be purely economic). It’s in the area of immigration that these two parties differ. It is the Constitution Party that holds the view the Rasmussen survey shows can take the White House.

If the American people wish to break the stranglehold that the current two-party system holds over them (and will surely lead to our financial, cultural and political demise), then anyone who considers themselves a patriot should look to backing the one viable party that stands for American sovereignty and the control of our borders: The Constitution Party. Cast off fears that not voting Republican will mean Hillary gets the White House. The survey shows that that very fear will ensure she gets the White house. It takes courage to take a new path, and it’s time all conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists got in the one vehicle that’s currently available to take us back to the constitutional republic our forefathers left us.

I’m not saying that every official position of the Constitution Party is going to appeal to all conservatives/constitutionalists/traditionalist, but neither do all the planks in the Republican or Democrat platforms. I’m just saying that if the citizens want to take back their country from the elites and globalists, it’s time to break with the establishment one-worlders who are selling us down the river and take action via a political party that is working to preserve our Constitution as intended, not as interpreted (or ignored) by elitists.

The Constitution Party stands for more than just defending against immigration, and people should read up on them. At the same time, the Constitution Party needs to promote more of their fiscal views. Currently, they are known mostly as a pro-life party. They can’t ride an anti-abortion, one-trick pony to the White House or to Congress. To be viewed as a truly viable party, the Constitution Party needs to promote their other views concerning limited government, fiscal responsibility and halting illegal immigration. Getting a truly conservative, Constitution-honoring political party into Congress and the White House would help to steer the U.S. back towards sanity. A three-way split in political parties working in Congress could be really beneficial to the health of our Republic.

I know there will be Republican supporters out there that will tell me I’m dividing their ranks and now is the time to fight to keep the Republican Party on track. I can only say that not only is the Republican Party not on track, it has derailed and had a horrible wreck. At this point in time, it is a fool’s errand to attempt to change the neo-con party. I’m also confidant that some Libertarians out there will tell me I should be backing the Libertarian Party rather than the Constitution Party, as they are the real party of true liberty. The Libertarian Party has a lot of good positions on issues. However, as I stated earlier, the big issue that is the turning point for making a third party a true player on the national level is illegal immigration, and the Libertarian Party doesn’t have the correct position on it to take advantage of the current situation in America. In looking for the best vehicle to break the stranglehold that the Republican-Democrat system has on public office, the Libertarian Party simply isn’t positioned properly to be that vehicle.

I freely admit that I’m not a Republican any more (I haven’t been for about 10 years now), and that I’m not a Constitution Party member…yet. However, the time is ripe for change, and I’m tired of being a disaffected conservative. Thanks to the spinelessness of establishment politicians, the climate is right for a new major political party, and the Constitution Party is right on the issue of immigration to take advantage of the times. This is not just a chance to shake up the two-party system, but a chance to take our country back and make it a home again for citizens rather than territory to be conquered by the illegal invaders.


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To: rhombus

My point is that if Teddy Roosevelt couldnt carry a third party who is there today who can? I dont see anyone who could hold a light to Roosevelt in todays politicians. In fact I dont see anyone I really care to vote for, although I undoubtedly will vote.


61 posted on 05/18/2006 4:49:00 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: nitzy
If that man were to stay in office for 8 years the entire house would be up for election 3 times with him as a popular champion of his party on the campain trail. Also the entire senate would go through 1 election per seat in that time period if he was as charismatic and compelling as T.R. he could certainly build a party in 8 years.

Ronald Reagan fits that bill, and he sure didn't do that. Bush has had a much stronger record as far as the House and Senate and he has barely been able to get a majority.

I'm thinking of past presidents of already-established parties and none has gone on to bring his party in in such numbers.

Also, it's simply not going to happen as youi describe. What party in the last 100 years has gone from nothing to the Presidency? How is he going to win any legislative victories which will allow him to be a popular champion and get re-elected AND get a majority somewhere in those 8 years (6, because he won't be up for a third term)?

62 posted on 05/18/2006 4:50:13 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Kowtowing to the Bush haters ends now)
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To: rhombus

As opposed to committing myself to something that is failing us every single day, and has time and time again proven itself to fold under pressure from the left?

I would rather effect lasting change, than to hang on to something that is so completely broken. You're fooling yourself into thinking that your Titanic will somehow refloat itself.


63 posted on 05/18/2006 4:50:17 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The only third party effort in recent times that even came close to amounting to anything was the Reform Party (pre-buchanan). The appeal of the Reform Party wasn't to either extreme of the political spectrum, it was solidly middle of the road. The Reform Party was on track to become a viable party UNTIL it was taken over by an extreme element.

The only third party that has a chance of success will follow the Reform Party pattern, appealing to the growing number of everyday folks who are tired of politics on both sides of the isle and who care even less for the extremes of either.

The Mundane Party...normal people tired of the BS on both sides.

64 posted on 05/18/2006 4:50:54 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Mo1
If the 3rd party pull another bleeping Perot on this country and give us another Clinton or worse ... I will never ever forgive them and I will let everyone I know just how I feel about it

Don't lose any sleep over a 3rd party giving you another Clinton. Your beloved GOP and it's devoted followers will do it for you.

65 posted on 05/18/2006 4:51:03 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: GadareneDemoniac

Exactly. These "parties" always seem to blow all of their money on some crack pot during the presidental election and then just fade away for 4 years.


66 posted on 05/18/2006 4:51:32 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Quick! Press the Sarcasm button!)
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To: oldironsides
Will Ross Perot appear in 2008 ...

Hey Perot.

That Giant Sucking Sound you talked about wasn't jobs being sent to Mexico.

It was millions of illegals swooshing across the border into America.

67 posted on 05/18/2006 4:52:09 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: Buckhead
This numbnuts has it exactly backwards. A re-run of Perot running as a nativist third party candidate is Hilary's only conceivable chance to win.

Perot dropped out near the end and then kinda came back. He was not a serious and viable third party candidate.

If the Republicans could not beat Bill twice, they certainly have no chance to beat Hill.

Republicans also lost the popular vote to Gore and barely beat Kerry (Ohio).

Unfortunately for the GOP, Reagan's coat tails are long gone.

68 posted on 05/18/2006 4:52:36 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: jmj3jude

BTTT


69 posted on 05/18/2006 4:52:46 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: TomGuy
I'm not from PA, but as I recall, Senator Specter won that Senate seat.

Apparently you missed my point about the Primaries

70 posted on 05/18/2006 4:53:57 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Definitely, this is a great time for a third party. But it should be one that splits the Democrats, not the Republicans. Let the Moonbats and the moderate Dems go to the trouble of inventing a square-wheeled car, advertising, selling, and driving it nowhere.


71 posted on 05/18/2006 4:54:32 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: varon
Your beloved GOP and it's devoted followers will do it for you.

Bull .. it's the voters that vote and it will be them I blame

72 posted on 05/18/2006 4:55:05 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: FerdieMurphy

We already have a third party.
It's called
"The Ones in The House of Repersenatives Who Are Conservative Republicans Party"


73 posted on 05/18/2006 4:55:40 AM PDT by WKB (Gal. 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.)
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To: oldironsides

And the GOP will offer up a sacraficial lamb to the beast named bubba and the boss.


74 posted on 05/18/2006 4:55:40 AM PDT by winodog (I fear the swamp more then trespassers, muslims, china, etc,etc. Dust off the DOI)
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To: snowrip
Thats, um very nice and dramatic.

So after this vaulted 3rd party goes down to a humiliating defeat, but not after sucking enough votes off the GOP to give the wacky socialist from the DNC factory the win, how are you going to "save the republic" then?
75 posted on 05/18/2006 4:56:41 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Quick! Press the Sarcasm button!)
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To: mo

--and the Republican party and George Bush have spent the last 6 years furthering that liberal agenda.


76 posted on 05/18/2006 4:57:47 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Darkwolf377

I am not suggesting they could get a majority in congress but I do think in 8 years you could get 8 to 10 seats in the senate and 30 or 40 in the house. This would be enough to get a toe hold for future progress. You ask "how is he going to have any legislative victories" - Sometimes defeats do more for your cause that victories. A President with a rational and popular agenda that is not being passed by congress will see more attention paid to his party and new ideas.


77 posted on 05/18/2006 4:58:25 AM PDT by nitzy (Every man needs a credo)
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To: snowrip

Stuff and nonsence. I have NOT been failed "every single day". YOU will not effect "lasting change". At best you will be an asterisk, a footnote. And I'm fooling myself about the "Titanic" floating again? Please. Study more American history.


78 posted on 05/18/2006 4:58:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The answer is called PRIMARIES. Imagine if a viable real candidate had been run against DeWine with the whole hearted support of the conservatives. Just picking off one single RINO has the power to wake up the whole bunch.

The base has its maximum power during primaries.. in the General all lose by trying to teach ourselves a lesson by cutting off our own noses.

80 posted on 05/18/2006 4:59:52 AM PDT by dalight
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