Posted on 05/16/2006 11:57:27 PM PDT by vertolet
The conflict has little to do with Russias neo-imperialism, but a lot to do with Western reluctance to foot the bill of Soviet de-colonisation.
The genuine democracies created in the former Soviet Union in the wake of the so-called colour revolutions are failing to deliver political stability and economic prosperity. Insofar as they have failed to reduce dependence on subsidised Russian gas, they are also implicitly failing to deliver real independence.
Ukraines demands for continued supplies of cheap Russian/CIS gas in effect mean that Kiev is promoting the preservation of Soviet economic structures. Thus, it is implicitly promoting re-Sovietisation, a charge normally levelled against Moscow.
These facts have been completely overlooked by the new Cold War warriors, who continue to accuse Russia of authoritarian backsliding and neo-imperialist policies in the CIS.
Since the West wants to preserve the current situation in which Ukraines transition to independence is actually financed by Russia, it has offered Kiev an early NATO membership as a meaningless symbol.
Moscow is unlikely to fall for this unseemly trap, with further tensions certain to emerge on the horizon.
The ineffective colour democracies
While the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia (and to some extent Kyrgyzstan and Moldova) have come to be seen as advancing to genuine democracy mainly because of their Western geopolitical orientation it is striking that these supposedly democratic leaders in the CIS also seem to be chronically unstable and their governments ineffective. Even well disposed observers might find it hard to deny that the new regimes performance in delivering structural reforms and political stability has been disappointing. A cynic might say that they, and their Western backers, have been long on superficial colour attributes, but disturbingly short on delivering substantive structural change.
The protracted post-election political manoeuvring in Ukraine, with the new government unlikely to be in place before the end of June, is the most recent, and perhaps the most telling example of this malaise. This is not a coincidence, as similar such post-authoritarian processes farther afield most spectacularly in Iraq also point to an interminable lag between the collapse of the ancient regime and the creation of a functioning democracy. (In the latter case, of course, democracy, should it at all materialise, will need to be probably indefinitely nurtured by massive US economic aid and military presence).
This is not a mere academic issue, but a daunting problem of post-authoritarian transition, for it raises some troubling moral and practical questions. For example what was the point of instituting genuine democracy if that democracy chronically fails to deliver political stability and economic prosperity? Ultimately, one should ask whether such a state of affairs really deserves to be called democracy, if it is too weak and ineffective and unable to implement deep structural reforms, without which it would never become self-sustaining.
The cases of the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia furthermore raise the pertinent question of exactly what kind of independence the new regimes are building, when they are manifestly failing even to begin addressing the sources of their countries reliance on cheap gas, implicitly subsidised by the empire? This dependence, of course, has deep structural/historical roots and can be addressed only over the medium term. But there is no reason why a responsible, truly effective and hence sovereign, genuine democracy should not swiftly negotiate, on its own initiative, a medium term road map to European gas prices, accompanied by a programme of requisite structural reforms.
The Orange regime in Ukraine did, indeed, in the course of 2005 attempt to make such a move. But it flinched, when faced with the full ramifications of steeply rising prices of Russian/CIS gas. Kiev has failed to back its political drive for independence by a corresponding programme of structural reforms.
It seems, therefore, that instead of pursuing real independence by seeking to implement such reforms at the fastest possible pace the political classes of the former Soviet republics focus their efforts on nominal, and in practice meaningless, symbols of independence, such as the membership of NATO, and/or on picking up sterile and damaging fights with Russia, which are meant to demonstrate the Kremlins neo-imperialist intentions.
Unfortunately, this strategy for thoroughly opportunistic reasons supported by the West (more on this below) may actually yield degradation, not strengthening of democracy in the former Soviet Union. If democracy is conceived of as a means to an end the delivery of stable, liberal, prosperous and law-based society and not as an abstract, theoretical construct, then by most objective standards the colour regimes are failing this ultimate, real-life test.
On the other hand, a soft authoritarian regime, such as that of President Lukashenka in Belarus, seems to be meeting the test surprisingly well, having avoided the traumas of post-Soviet transition, the instability (and inequity) of oligarchic democracy, and having delivered superior social security as well as a measure of prosperity.
True, the Belarusian economic miracle clearly is the result of Belarus extensive dependence on trade with the booming Russia (as has been the stellar pre-2005 performance of the Ukrainian economy). But why should this, and its consequent pro-Russian orientation, be seen as a weakness, or almost as the regimes betrayal of the populace? Conversely, why should the post-revolutionary Kievs strategy of biting the hand that feeds it be regarded as wise and democratic economics and come to be applauded by the West?
In this context, it is conceivable that the Lukashenka regime might be seen as a preferable, alternative path to prosperity and eventually mature democracy especially, when we assume, as we should, that Belarus will one day mature to a full democracy regardless of what Mr Lukashenka may be doing at present. The most reliable assessment, though impossible to carry out, might be by considering how many fully liberated Ukrainians might in fact settle for the relative economic security and prosperity delivered by Europes last dictatorship in neighbouring Belarus.
A new Cold War?
These issues are at the roots of what is increasingly seen as the new Cold War between Russia and the USA (and to a lesser extent some other Western countries). Washington argues that countries such as Ukraine and Georgia have transferred to what it calls genuine democracy and that their colour regimes must be supported come what may, even if they place real independence on the backburner by their failure to reform the economy.
Putins Kremlin, on the other hand, believes that democracy remains an empty and meaningless concept, unless it delivers effective government, political stability and economic prosperity. On this basis the Kremlin has rejected Russias own genuine democracy of the 1990s and is now building its sovereign democracy, which places emphasis on independence, responsibility and economic regeneration.
This pragmatism and the transfer to full market, hard-nosed economics, is also the reason why Russia is demanding progressive phasing out of its implicit subsidisation of the former Soviet republics, not only in regard to hostile countries such as Ukraine but also its geo-political friends, such as Belarus. The Kremlins sovereign democracy thus in practice leads to de-Sovietisation of the former Soviet Union not a Soviet restoration while, paradoxically, the real democracy of the colour revolutions appears to be promoting a continuation of Soviet economic structures.
Emotions driving the new Cold War have intensified in the run-up to the July summit of G8 leaders in St Petersburg, as Russias critics aim to exact maximum leverage by threatening to spoil the Kremlins party. Russias American and European adversaries want to ensure that the summit is not turned into what they fear would amount to the ultimate legitimisation of Putins authoritarian backsliding and neo-imperialist expansion. The most hostile pitch to date was delivered by US vice president Dick Cheney at the summit of East European new democracies in Vilnius on 4th May. In his address, Mr Cheney harshly criticised what he sees as Russias internal authoritarianism and neo-imperialist bullying of its former Soviet neighbours. His statements have widely been interpreted as jacking up the tensions between Washington and Moscow to a new, post-Soviet level.
Ukraine is the central battleground
Since Ukraine is the largest former Soviet country, and since it has been most intimately integrated with Russia (culturally, ethnically as well as economically), it has naturally become the central battleground in the new Cold War. By moving over to pro-Western genuine democracy, the arrival of Orange Ukraine in early 2005 has marked a major advance by the West and a corresponding setback for the Kremlin.
Paradoxically, however, Ukraine is also presenting the most spectacular manifestation of the shaky foundations and failure of genuine democracy as well as the bankruptcy of its independence drive. It is troubling that neither Kiev nor the West even appear to be aware of the ramifications of this failure or rather, they most likely are aware of them, but they refuse to contemplate footing the bill of Ukraines independence, preferring it to be picked by the neo-imperialist Russia.
Whatever the rhetoric in Washington, Kiev or elsewhere, it is clear that Ukraine is going nowhere and is unlikely to be going anywhere in the foreseeable future. Not only is Ukraines external trade is dominated by Russia, with the West hardly being in sight. Its exports, moreover, remain competitive and, indeed, large swathes of domestically oriented production remain in operation, only because they receive cheap (in comparison with EU prices) Russian gas. Russia has, therefore, been implicitly subsidising Ukraine to the tune of several billion dollars a year. Beyond running into a fruitless fracas with the Kremlin in January over the prices of gas, the Orange regime has made little perceptible impact on this situation. Fifteen years after the Soviet collapse, the Soviet-style Russian-Ukrainian economic structures remain alive and kicking, with alternative Western structures being conspicuous by their absence.
As noted above, the road map to real, as opposed to nominal, independence must lead through radical, medium-term structural reforms, which, in co-operation with Russia, would gradually eliminate Russias implicit subsidisation of the Ukrainian economy. But, amazingly, some sections of Kievs political class are calling for renegotiation of the January gas price agreement, presumably with the view of reducing rather than further increasing the prices of imported gas. In a bizarre twist, this yearning for the Soviet vestiges is being widely interpreted as a drive to independence.
Is Ukraine being misled by the West?
The apparently interminable political paralysis in Ukraine is normally attributed to this countrys regional/ethnic fault-lines, as well as to its lacking tradition as an independent, fully sovereign state. In addition, Ukraine is suffering from the standard weakness shared by most former communist states the absence of strong, ideology and class-rooted political parties and the corresponding prevalence of oligarchic politics. (These systems do not, and cannot, have genuine party-based competition, with politics being dominated by competition among oligarchic clans for the available streams of revenue, such as the discounted Russian gas).
Unfortunately, however, the West appears to be playing less than fully constructive part in this unseemly scenario. First, it has so far failed to underwrite Ukraines shift to genuine democracy by offering Kiev a credible road map to EU membership as well as financial support to help it cushion the impact of the gas prices. It has also failed to impress on the Ukrainian political class the need for structural reforms as the only credible path to real independence. And, finally, it has indulged Kiev in the pursuit of irrelevant objectives such as entry to NATO, which, with the flare up of the new Cold War, now appears to be as the highest priority. (Georgia and Moldova cannot at present qualify for NATO membership, as they have unresolved ethnic and territorial conflicts on their territory).
A Russian commentator has aptly pointed out that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is really a conflict between Russia and the West over who should foot the bill of Ukrainian independence.
Moscow clearly (and rightly) believes that it should not be paying, as it has other priority items on its spending programme besides the obvious thought that no-one wants to pay to support ones adversaries. The West on the other hand clearly remains determined to avoid assuming responsibility, while simultaneously not being averse to taking Ukraine into NATO. Such an absurd state of affairs surely is unprecedented in modern European history.
Since it is unimaginable that Putins supremely pragmatic, but also increasingly assertive Kremlin would go along with a wheeze of these dimensions, the ensuing Cold War over the consequences of Soviet de-colonisation will rumble on for some time to come.
Let's explore that article a little more fully, otherwise, people won't understand the exact impact and involvement of various ethnicities in the leadership and decision-making hierarchy of the secret services:
Leadership (the guys who made the decisions):
13 Men
3 Russians (M. S. Kedrov, I.K. Ksenofontov, and V.N. Mantsev)
3 Jews (S. A. Messing, N. S. Unshlikht, and G.G. Yagoda)
2 Latvian (M. Y. Latsis, and Y. Kh. Petere) , äâîå ïîëÿêîâ 2 Poles (F. Eh. Dzerzhinskyj and V. R. Menzhinskij)
1 Ukrainian G. I. Bokij
1 Belarus F. D. Medved'
1 Armenian V. A. Avanesov
These are the guys who ensured the crimes committed by you Soviets and Warsaw Pact countries were implemented.
Furthermore, this is the workers for the Central Apparatus.
When you delve into the ethnic make up of the field units, such as those who enforced the de-kulakification, you find much higher numbers of Ukrainians. Also, the majority of SMERSH members were Jews and Ukrainians. This, according to Ukrainian NKVD legend - PAvel Sudoplatov. And others, writing about the OGPU, ChK, NKVD, MGB, and KGB.
Look, you know damn well there were and remain dedicated Ukrainian communists and plenty of Ukrainians who still see Russia as a friend and the US as an enemy. I can provide plenty of first-hand examples, and plenty of written sources as well.
Bottom line to all of you "former" communists from Eastern Europe. YOU ALL SHARE THE BLAME. That's right. Each and every one of you are complicit in these crimes and you should be apologizing to the rest of the world for allowing it to go on for so long.
And before you say, "I wasn't communist" or "I didn't support the regime" - let me ask you this: Did you attend college in your home country? Did you get a referral from the draft? (And you know EXACTLY why the answers to these two question [if you are honest in your answer] will show you supported the communist regime).
And your comments about the Civil War and the US. There is a perfect example of how people in the US don't continue to fight the battles of yesteryear. If we did, our country would be a mess.
Probably in Poland it was the same as in SU, joining the party can't be described as voluntary. It's somewhere between blackmail and gangster extortion. Anyone who wanted to be in a leadership position (industrial manager, company director, government bureaucrat, engineer, higher ranking officer, educator, etc.) had to be a party member. No party- no money. If I was born 30 years earlier I would have been a proud party member as well. lol. Study Scientific Communism in university, pass an exam, and voila.
And then argue. in an American forum, intricacies of dialectic materialism. :)
Polish CP didnt committed such crimes. If you mean only Dzierzynski, I may only repeat that he was nobody in Poland and the Russians made him important in Moscow. So this is their problem if he committed crimes against them.
Furthermore, the Polish CP made the decision to invade, with Russia and others, Czechoslavkia - a crime against the Czechs and Slovaks. Your military men killed Czechs and Slovaks
Of course that decision was made in Moscow. Furthermore Polish troops didnt killed even a single Czech or Slovak, so stop with your propaganda.
Also, the Polish military FOUGHT AGAINST THE AMERICAN MILITARY in the Vietnam War on the side of the Soviets and North Vietnamese. Each member who was assigned to Vietnam was strictly a volunteer and had to go through a selection board to be allowed to go fight.
What a joke! I bet that you would find more Americans whom fought on the side of Nazi Germany than Poles in Vietnam. You are totally dishonest person who is ready to write any kind of BS, only to defend its agenda.
and I suggest to end this very boring and predictable discussion, we simply cannot agree
You are in such a state of strong denial. First of all and foremost. Communism is a criminal ideology - therefore, ANYONE involved in Communism is a criminal and supported the crimes Communism thrust upon the world.
Perhaps you'd like to tell us the number of your partynyj bilet? I didn't think so. You too were a communist. Therefore you were a criminal. When are you going to apologize to Western society for being a part of the communist regime in Poland.
Second of all, Polish military members went to Vietnam. Don't take my word for it - contact the Polish organization KARTA - they can tell you all about it. And while you at it, ask them to describe to you the communist crimes Poland was involved in.
Basically what you are saying Lukasz is only Russian communists were bad - the other communists weren't. Which is quite understandable for you to say. After all, if you admitted that Polish communists were criminals you'd be personally confessing to being a criminal.
Perhaps you'd also like to tell us how you managed to get a visa to Belarus to observe the elections when only people friendly to the Lukashenko regime were allowed to monitor the elections. I think we really do know what you really are. Maybe you should go spout your government-subsidized propaganda somewhere else. Personally, I don't like agents of foreign governments, like you, coming on American conservative forums and attempting to manipulate public opinon.
That's exactly what I am saying. You made a choice then and there. Either you took the path that would allow you more privilege and benefits than those who didn't join the communist party OR you refused to join a corrupt and criminal organization. If you took the path to benefits then you supported the Communist Party regime - whether you were a dedicated communist or not.
Now that the Soviet Union has fallen you all try to paint yourselves as "victims" - as your last post has proven, you knew damn well what you were doing when you chose to get benefits from the CP.
I was born in 1981, so figure out. But you are for sure some kind of confident of KREMLIN.
At least some of your fellow Poles recognize they participated in crimes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4171966.stm
And of course Poland was more than eager to help the Soviets:
"On the night of August 20 Dubcek was arrested and dragged off to Russia or Poland, along with several of his colleagues. The next day a massive invasion of Czechoslovakia by some 200,000 troops from Russia, Poland, Bulgaria, East Germany, and Hungary began. Dubcek agreed to renounce his ideals and submit."
But according to Lukasz, the Polish troops just sat around and didn't kill anyone. Right (/sarcasm)
And regarding Americans helping the Nazis. I'll bet you $$$$ that there were less Americans helping the Nazis then Poles.
Polish troops didn't killed anybody, they stepped and found no opposition. If you claims otherwise, source please.
Were you parents communists? Grandparents? I'll bet they were. I'll also be willing to be you grew up privileged.
I'm not a confidant of the Kremlin, Tovarisch - I am American military veteran who heard our great President Ronald Reagan's call to service - that call was to defeat communism. And that we did. But we didn't do it so you Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, etc., could waste that victory over Communism by spiraling into ethnic-based hatred and other such nonsense. You guys are doing so much harm to Reagan's legacy when you should be thankful that America produced such a leader. He'd be appalled at this b.s.
"Polish troops didn't killed anybody, they stepped and found no opposition. If you claims otherwise, source please."
You've GOT to be kidding me. Amazing. Yeah, Poles didn't kill anybody, the Germans had no idea the Nazis were killing Jews, and Elvis is alive and well in St. Louis.
"During the attack of the Warsaw Pact armies, 72 Czechs and Slovaks were killed (19 of those in Slovakia) and hundreds were wounded (up to September 3, 1968)"
" you extend the time until the end of '68, then there were 92 or 94 deaths including victims of traffic accidents and so on. But there were cases where Soviet forces and Warsaw Pact forces, killed people also in September ['68 and later months]; there was a case in eastern Bohemia where a drunken Polish soldier killed two people and wounded several others. Under this new bill, [there would be compensation] also for victims of crimes committed by communist soldiers, rapes of women, and so on, cases that occurred much later, between '69 and '91. But the majority of the cases belong to the first week after the [August 21, 1968] invasion."
If you think that you false posting cause my harsh reaction and will lead to a ban. Then it is just your wet dream. Get over troll.
nothing about Poles
The Polish Institute of National History has contributed a lot of material, including some black-and-white footage of the self-immolation of a Polish man, in protest of the Polish involvement in the invasion of Czechoslovakia. I asked the Polish Ambassador to the Czech Republic, Andrzej Krawczyk, whether the participation of his country in the Prague exhibition can be understood as an apology.
Andrzej Krawczyk, photo: www.ipn.gov.pl"There is a whole movement in Poland nowadays and I am proud as a Pole, as a Polish citizen. I think that there is a sign of moral health that we have a feeling that we must again and again talk about it, be concerned about it, say we apologise. And there is a warning for the future."
You need to take a little visit to your National Institute of History - they will explain to you how the Polish troops engaged in crimes against the Czechs during Prague Spring.
Nice - I'm a troll, funny, I didn't see you at the Freeper "Impeach Clinton Rally" in DC in 1996. But that would make me a troll.
Look it's obvious you work for a government-funded organization. You claim you were an election observor in Belarus. Only those friendly to Lukashenko were able to get visas to observe the elections.
So, you do the math: Lukasz: from a "former" Communist country that isn't friendly to Belarus, but Lukasz, somehow still gets a visa to "monitor" Belarusian elections. You're leftist roots are showing.
I hope you're getting paid overtime for your work on here.
Romanov confused two of us (He is simply unable do write a true about anything), but he suggest that you are communist :)
Yep, if I confused the issue of the election observor - my bad. Doesn't change my opinion about the type of person allowed in to observe elections. And doesn't change my opinion that denial about Polish or Ukrainian or Russian involvement in communism is harmful.
May bet is on the latter :-)))
Especially the brand new converts.
They are usually more fanatic than genuine worshippers.
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