[NewLand]

the majority of them are sheep being led by the nose

I agree. However, with the right business and political leadership, led by someone strong enough to break the grip those criminals have on their nose, they can be swayed into sanity and away from the bondage they now are held in.

There is hope for much (not all) of the members...but the union management...not a bit.

[CSM]

I would say there is hope for a few of the members, but for the majority there is no hope. That majority gets their talking points from the likes of kos and the DUmp. Many of them are proud that the State of MI has an economy in the crapper, they figure that it will get R's out of power.

They don't understand economics, despise their employers to the point that their employers don't make a profit, then don't make the connection when layoffs and benny reductions occur. They do only what they are told, get drunk or high on breaks, cover each other to ensure that a day off rotates between them, harass and assault co-workers, vandalize their employers property, vandalize the product being assembled, etc. etc. etc......

The connection isn't made how their actions actually will cost them their jobs. They are the ultimate leech.

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That said, many of the same attitudes are prevelant in top management positions. It is not nearly to the level of being anything more than a small minority, but it still exists. It is being rooted out, but it still exists. I'd guess that these are the same folks that agreed to the labor contracts to begin with.

Management needs to change how they do business as well as labor. If not the golden goose will be gone soon.