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[ That's a strange thing to say, since I base my conclusions on an extensive examination of reality itself, whereas you get yours from a book. How does that make yours "1st reality" and mind "2nd reality"? Mine's a lot more first-hand with respect to reality than yours. ]

You just want to argue Ichy.. You know we live on different planets.. You could care less what I believe.. I know where you are coming from, more or less, you would have become "born again" to vaguely understand me.. I know that.. So I accept you on that level.. And you accept me as a Moonbat.. Thats the way its supposed to be.. Everything is just the way its supposed to be.. The Sheep MUST be separated from the goats.. and they ARE.. I'm O.K. wid dat..

Ugh OH!.. I feel a prayer rising up from within me.. I'm grabbing the arms of my chair.. HERE IT COMES>>>.

I'm just curious why , living as you do, on a separate planet, why you hose these threads with arguments that are irrelevant in the terms argued by science.

You also have an infinite capacity to learn from history, form the innumerable times religion has had to adapt its interpretations to new knowledge of the physical world.

Evos are accused of hating God and hating religion, but I can imagine nothing more destructive to faith than insisting that people abandon faith if they cannot believe things that are demonstrably not true.

[That's a strange thing to say, since I base my conclusions on an extensive examination of reality itself, whereas you get yours from a book. How does that make yours "1st reality" and mind "2nd reality"? Mine's a lot more first-hand with respect to reality than yours. ]

You just want to argue Ichy..

No, actually, I'd rather come to an understanding.

But I must confess to having misread your last post. When I replied to it, I had read it as saying that yours is the "1st reality", as in the primary one, and mine was the "2nd reality", as in somehow "second class" or inferior. I had either missed the "a" in the phrase "I'm into a 1st reality", or I had read it as if it were a "the", which would alter the meaning.

Now that I look at it again, however, I see that that's not what you were saying, you were just saying that we've got two different "realities", and you weren't saying that one was "more real" than the other. I apologize for the misreading, which was responsible for the direction of my response.

You know we live on different planets..

I know what you're trying to say here, but I disagree with it, as well as the idea behind the "different realities" comment.

Unless the internet reaches a whole lot farther than advertised, we *are* on the same planet, we *do* live in the same actual reality, even though we look at it differently. I highly doubt you are a postmodernist, subscribe to the Whorf Hypothesis, or follow a form of new-age or idealist philosophy which has "personal realities" as a tenet, so it's unlikely you actually believe this in a literal sense. And if there is one reality which we all inhabit, it's important for all of us to do our best to determine what it is, rather than to employ excuses for avoiding that task like shrugging about how reality is just "different" for each of us because we view it differently.

You could care less what I believe..

Incorrect.

I know where you are coming from, more or less,

I don't think you know that nearly as well as you believe you do. For example, you raise doubts when you say things like:

you would have become "born again" to vaguely understand me.. I know that..

Actually, I don't have any trouble understanding the "born again".

So I accept you on that level.. And you accept me as a Moonbat..

No, I just don't think you're putting enough effort into it.

Thats the way its supposed to be.. Everything is just the way its supposed to be..

You forgot to sing "Kumbaya" at the end of that.

The Sheep MUST be separated from the goats.. and they ARE..

I know you believe this. See, I *do* understand you.

Ugh OH!.. I feel a prayer rising up from within me.. I'm grabbing the arms of my chair.. HERE IT COMES>>>.

Be careful when it's time to handle the snakes.

LOLOL! What a delightful post! Thank you, hosepipe!