Posted on 02/06/2006 11:32:46 AM PST by b2stealth
Iran should not be threatened - Russian foreign minister
ATHENS. Feb 6 (Interfax) - It is now of paramount importance not to threaten Iran in connection with its nuclear program, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a Monday press briefing in Athens.
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Do you have evidence of this regarding Kasparov? (BTW every Russian i've talked with thinks he's good in chess but finds him to be a silly foreigner trying to run for president)
I'm sorry, but I don't believe you.
So, basically taking the same position on essentially the same topic as Iraq, AFTER THE FACT! That is great Russia. Just great. Someone smart here should be able to connect Russian money to liberal Dems!
Actually liberal Dems support the opposition in Russia. Soros is quite annoyed that his foreign NGOs have been outlawed in Russia, and Putin has taken a personal dislike to Soros. Conservatives across East Europe have been losing to Soros funded candidates.
Soros was thrown out of Russia only when he started undermining Putin's administration. KGB created Commintern, CPUSA, A.N.S.W.E.R, Code Pink and other liberal groups..
Putin is very proud of KGB, even resurrected monuments to "great" KGB leaders like Andropov.
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It was reported all over.
Kasparov was going all over Russia with speeches. His plane was not allowed to land in many airports (they were having "emergencies") after he got there by bus he was refused rented space (militia was on hand).. It was reported in many newspapers.
Here is his site - http://www.kasparov.ru/ - notice caricature on the front page, not many papers in US dare to print it.
He is a good guy, he is not even running for a president, his coalition calls for at least _ELECTIONS_ in 2008.
Yes, so why one was drugged "just in time" for elections and another is refused landing rights or rented space?
And you know, about this 1%, in USSR 100% voted for CP, Stalin had a saying - "It doesn't matter how they vote, what is important is how you count". Ukraine's Kuchmas showed how to count :) I'm sure Putin is not far behind on his "backup" counting servers..
Don't forget that you just said you "didn't believe" me - so now I'm telling the truth?
And you think there's absolutly no bias to Kasparov's site against the opposition?
Kasparov is a strategist, and making claims like this to draw attention is quite an attention getter.
I think he has some good ideas, and also give him kudos for traveling from place to place actually talking to the people, that's the best way for him to get to word out.
I think he stands a chance but he's got to work off the stigma he has at present. Also though not everyone he associates with in the opposition is a good guy.
>Kasparov is a strategist, and making claims like this to >draw attention is quite an attention getter.
Yes, don't forget that Putin went through KGB school so he knows a thing or two about strategy..
Yes, Kasparov is a nice guy, he has no chance but without him it will be even more of "complete vertical of power" - no opposition everybody love Putin just like with Bregnev, Saddam or Iran.
> am very familiar with Stalin's quote. Did you see this >happen? No, you just know this has to be true, because >you believe it.
I never saw russian ICBM - it doesn't mean it doesn't exist!
Soviet Union was "fixing" it's polls and voting, this system was restarted in 1996 by Yeltsin to keep communists out of power, there is no indication that it is not used today.
Putin rating was 4% 6 month before he was elected president in 2000! Do you believe in magic?
You realize that you're arguments that Putin is secretly continuing the KGB are about as far fetched as those of folks who insist that Skull & Bones is a masonic Illuminati Cult and that those men control the presidency in America right?
The Moscow times insists Bush won because he owns the company that makes voting machines, I don't buy that tripe either.
I have met Russians who love Putin and Russians luke warm to Putin (and more than a few who simply don't care one way or the other about politics). The majority by far of those interested and able to vote support Putin over the opposition. You can't ask for more in a democracy.
So now you see that you logic is false, not seeing something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If something existed for 75 years it has a big probability of existing today.
>You have zero comprehension of a democracy. In an >election every side does everything they can do to win. >Have you ever heard of gerrymanding? I'm certain that >sort of thing goes on in Russia too, and the opposition >will scream, but that does not mean the elections overall >were not fair.
Oh! Now I know elections in Iraq under Saddam were democratic - he just did "everything they can do to win" - shot couple hundred people, put others in jail.. " everything they can do to win".
Thank you for clearing this up Al Gary!
>Yes, because equally strange things have happened in >American elections. Putin was not known 6 months prior to >the election, but was promoted by Yetslin. I see nothing >wrong with his winning the election in a short time frame.
So tell me when a candidate with 4% won a presidential election in US?
>You realize that you're arguments that Putin is secretly >continuing the KGB are about as far fetched as those of >folks who insist that Skull & Bones is a masonic >Illuminati Cult and that those men control the presidency >in America right?
What you mean? Putin is officially a Colonel of KGB. KGB is all well and stronger than ever, it's just renamed to FSB.
>The Moscow times insists Bush won because he owns the >company that makes voting machines, I don't buy that >tripe either.
What you want if official STATE TV runs stories how Bush Administration failed during Katrina?
>I have met Russians who love Putin and Russians luke warm >to Putin (and more than a few who simply don't care one >way or the other about politics). The majority by far of >those interested and able to vote support Putin over the >opposition. You can't ask for more in a democracy
That's true. Putin probably has about 50% of real votes, if there was no fixing.
The problem is that they do everything to minimize opposition %. Opposition takes other 50% but during election Putin is shown with 75% :)
In reality they don't even have much to worry about, but they are not used to close races like we are in US. They are used to "old way" the majority should be significant..
So it's is shown to be 75%.
Actually it wasn't simply renamed it was split up some of it went to the new FSB, some went to other new agencies, and some was folded into existing agencies.
The former KGB headquarters is now a museum and bar/disco.
Butin has a good 75-85 of the votes of folks actually interested in voting, a lot of folks in the FSU are pretty turned off to politics and not interested in voting.
The biggest concern Putin faced in the last election was whether enough folks would be motivated to come to the polls that his victory would count (they have minimum turnout laws there)
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