[Lindykim]

ping

[orionblamblam]

Oy.

[hosepipe]

Interesting..

[Wings-n-Wind]

You write the best stuff....

Coulter-esque with a lot of finesse...
AND a much improved faith-picture & worldview!...
....IMHO

Pardon the comparison... meant to be a compliment!

Thanks for posting your contributions here!

Blessings...

[spinestein]

[Marx and Engel's incorporated Darwin's theory into their communist ideology.]



Fallacious argument.

Oppressors use any excuse available to justify their misdeeds including appropriating Darwinism, The Bible, Relativity, Muhammadanism, The Invisible Hand etc..

Both religious and secular "authorities" are used by them and it's unwise to mistake the cause from the effect.

[GSlob]

You might wish to refresh Promethean myth in your memory by re-reading it, for then you would be able to avoid gross distortions. Prometheus stole fire from Zeus - and then gave that fire to humans [rather incongruent for a "covetous" Titan to run risks just to benefit the race of lesser beings - humans].

[Ozone34]

Actually, I believe it was Slubglob who inspired Hegel, but why quibble?

[lilylangtree]

Interesting!

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Dr. T. N. Tahmision (Atomic Energy Commission USA) pegged Darwinian evolutionists as 'con men." He commented, "Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever. In explaining evolution, we do not have one iota of fact." ('The Fresno Bee," Aug. 20, 1959, as quoted by N.J. Mitchell, "Evolution and the Emperor's New Clothes," 1983, title page)

I've been asking this question of all the creationists on this topic.

Do you believe that all (and I mean ALL!) animals were created in their present form by God with absolutely no changes whatsoever to their physiology between the time they were created and now?

IOW, do you believe that animals do not evolve?

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

It was Biblical religion, and more specifically the Genesis account of creation, that overthrew the classic pagan worldview model with its all-powerful State controlled by totalitarian god-like Promethean men. All of this was repugnant to the Biblical model wherein the Genesis account proclaimed God as Sovereign and Lawmaker. It was He who had created all men and no one was to enslave other men or to treat them as 'lesser beings." Neither were His children to be 'subsumed' into nature, for He had given all of His children dominion over the earth, and they could own land and make use of the earth's resources. In America's founding documents, all statements about equality and freedom as inalienable and inherent rights of all human persons have their basis in the Genesis account. Similarly, because our lives are precious to our Creator, we have the right to keep and bear arms in order to protect our lives and those of our loved ones. This view of man and the world was totally alien to the ancient pagan way of doing things.

So, no Christians ever held dominion over another human being and decided their fate?

So, no Christian ever owned another human being to be used as an animated tool or animated sex toy?

So, no Christian American ever owned slaves or treated those of another race as inferior and the equivilent of animals?

[PatrickHenry]

Marx and Engel's incorporated Darwin's theory into their communist ideology.

Total hogwash!

Isn't it strange that Das Kapital -- the only significant work by Marx that hadn't already been written by the time Darwin got around to publishing Origin of Species -- never mentions Darwin or his work. There is no connection between Marxism and Darwin's theory. In fact, Darwin's theory has much more in common with Adam Smith's economics than it does to the lunacy of communism.

[peyton randolph]

However, not everyone was pleased with the Biblical model.

I agree with this statement. I'll pass on the rest.

[orionblamblam]

> It was Biblical religion, and more specifically the Genesis account of creation, that overthrew the classic pagan worldview model with its all-powerful State controlled by totalitarian god-like Promethean men.

Actually, it was Biblical religion which overthrew the democratic republican worldview that held sway in the Icelandinc republic and replaced it with an impoverish theocracy with the King's (you know, he of Divine Right) boot on the peoples throats.

[RedBeaconNY]

bump for later

[Siena Dreaming]

Very interesting post. I find it fascinating that Marx and Engels may have gotten their theories from a study of Darwin.

USSR: 20 million deaths China: 65 million deaths Vietnam: 1 million deaths N. Korea: 2 million deaths

Suggestion...you may want to add 3 million deaths in Cambodia to that list.

[mlc9852]

I believe God created the heavens and the earth. However, I think this article gives Darwin a little too much credit for all that is wrong in the world.

Why can't science remain separate from philosophy and politics?

[illinoissmith]

Where to start...

The Prometheus story is distorted to fit with your Lewis-inspired noble savage utopianism.

(As far as the myth goes, importantly 'Prometheus' means forethought, and the myth is more honestly taken, not as fodder for Lewis primitivism, as much as artful commentary on the nature of a key capacity which distinguishes humans from animals. As far as reality goes, humans invented technology, from fire to computers, on their own, quite in line with the laws of nature (and thus, nature's God). If you use religion to set up a dichotomy between Good and Technology, you are really advocating an authoritarian return to primitivism; if you mean to do that, at least be overt about it (even the relevant faction of the left is more honest about this than you are here). As far as your insinuations about people striving for absolute power over others - that is not striving for God-like power (God is, if anything, notably hands-off), but animal-like power. That's how chimps act. Don't elevate totalitarianism to divine levels when it is really the most cheap, blunt, animalistic social dynamic in existence.)

You regurgitate a factually incorrect picture of black-and-whie opposition between the ancient Hebrews and the entire rest of ancient mankind. Most every social group of the time thought that it was the best and most favored. One tribe happened to write it down. Not every tribe engaged in cannibalism and the other dark things to which you allude (although most in the area of the Hebrews did engage in human sacrifice, IIRC). Around the world, people had moral codes... some worse, some better than those of the Hebrews (ancient Egyptians, like ancient Hebrews, did not engage in cannibalism or human sacrifice, but further, they allowed women to own land (for example); and yes, both groups allowed the immoral institution of slavery). What you present on this topic is not an argument or evidence, but simply inherited ancient bigotry.

You confuse evolution with communism (which clearly does not work to allow life or human happiness to flourish, very non-mystical sorts of standards, for reasons that could be made clear with reality-based economic analysis; no mysticism needed), and you confuse it, apparently out of ignorance, with the belief that nothing of import differentiates humans with animals. (Sane monists are just as capable as dualists of noticing the fact that humans and animals are importantly different; monists just tend to be honest about what makes them notice the difference; dualists tend to revert to mysticism and dogma).

You confuse evolution with the idea that families should be disarmed to make them easy prey to criminals? You, who believe in a character who *demands* you turn the other cheek when attacked? You, who believe in a character who demands that you abandon family to follow him?

I suppose I should find this disjointed repetition of false connections satisfying, in a way. Non-pacifist Christians are like moderate Muslims. Life's only hope is that they continue to ignore the actual demands of that in which they claim to believe (cf. Tolstoy's "The Kingdom of God is Within You"), and continue instead, in ignorant defiance of their supposedly-favored text, to follow their inner moral compasses. This particular cognitive dissonance seems to be what keeps the bulk of Conservatives pro-gun and pro-military, and thus keeps us all from takeover from violent Islamofascists and the like... but I'm wary of what the latent wickedness might again spawn, as it has spawned socialism and communism and Nazism before it (ideologies as out of joint with reality as only spin-offs of mysticism can be... go trace the real roots of communism an Nazism; you'll find Hegel and other German mystics inspired by and working in the intellectual framework of... guess what?).

[steve-b]

What an ignoramus!

It was Biblical religion, and more specifically the Genesis account of creation, that overthrew the classic pagan worldview model with its all-powerful State controlled by totalitarian god-like Promethean men.

Democracy was invented in:

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"I'd like to buy a vowel."

Thus it was that a group of Enlightenment conspirators, two of whom were Frederick Engel's and Karl Marx

The Enlightenment happened in this century:

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"Is there an 'N'?"

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I could go on, but constructing the Hangman ASCII art is a pain.

[Para-Ord.45]

ping-a-roo keeper

[Dad was my hero]

Interesting read Ping.