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To: TonyRo76; green iguana; Fido969
One of the alleged features of H.R. 25 is that it will cut the billions and billions of dollars, and the man hours now wasted, in the collection and administration of the tax. This turns out to be another fraud being perpetrated upon the people. Why? Well, for example, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and other tradesmen who are self employed will pay the 23 % tax on the supplies they purchase at retail. These poor souls will also have to register with the federal government to engage in their occupations and also keep burdensome records and reports as Congress may so desire. The path which leads to such oppression is found in the language of H.R. 25 which some may have missed and reads:

SEC. 407. JURISDICTION.

`(a) STATE JURISDICTION- A sales tax administering authority shall have jurisdiction over any gross payments made which have a destination (as determined in accordance with section 405) within the State of said sales tax administering authority. This grant of jurisdiction is not exclusive of any other jurisdiction that such sales tax administering authority may have.

(b) FEDERAL JURISDICTION- The grant of jurisdiction in subsection (a) shall not be in derogation of Federal jurisdiction over the same matter. The Federal Government shall have the right to exercise preemptive jurisdiction over matters relating to the taxes imposed by this subtitle.

Regards,

JWK


24 posted on 01/12/2006 7:11:55 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K
More of your lies, johnnicakes. You should stick to Tax Protest promotion. You have routinely planted misinformation upon misinformation on these threads about the FairTax (HR25) and what it does and does not do. Your aim, of course, is to take away a tax plan which would greatly help the economy of the country and its taxpayers while at the same time trying to con readers into believing in a tax plan that failed before and was replaced by our first income tax in 1863 would do anything beneficial this time in a far more complex set of circumstances.

Your have made numerous claims of what HR25 is and does and in many instances these are gross lies - or, being charitable, just plain ignorance (which is palpable in your case). Your TP agenda is never far from the surface and you must resort to untruths in an attempt to further it. Your former associate Ed Ellison would be proud as would John Kotmair and the Save-A-Patriot Fellowship.

Nothing is too outrageous to attempt to disrupt the country, eh?? A failed tax system is just the first item on the agenda, isn't it? After that, what? Socialism? Fascism? Nihilism? Anarchy? Any of those make you a "winner" in your view but certainly not in the mainstream view of most citizens of the country.

Having long experience with you on other threads I realize you will not admit to any of your "misstatements" (aka lies) but will instead continue them, spewing them out as frequently as you can and trying to inveigle readers into your vanity sites where (you hope) you can practice you attempts at mind control without being rebutted as you are on these threads.

If readers stop to think, johnnicakes, they will grasp the reality of the fact that you have:

1) No bill before Congress (or even NOT before Congress).

2) No Congressional sponsors - or even support.

3) No Congregational co-sponsors.

4) No studies by recognized economists showing how your crackpot and ill-named "tax plan" would raise sufficient funds to run the country without causing complete chaos (as it eventually did after the original implementation).

5) No showing that it would do anything beneficial for our country's economy - let alone the taxpayers themselves.

6) No showing that the FairTax bill does not accomplish exactly the goals you PURPORT to have in mine (but really don't) since HR25 is both constitutional and accomplishes all that does the your "wonderwording" you'd like amended into the Constitution ... all without disrupting our country (but in fact actually benefiting it).

You'll not get many TP takers from these threads, pal.
25 posted on 01/13/2006 8:10:47 AM PST by pigdog
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