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Tracing the whale’s trail [Evolution trial, daily thread for 15 Oct]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 15 October 2005 | LAURI LEBO

Posted on 10/15/2005 3:44:16 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

A paleontologist testified in the Dover school board trial about how fossils connect species.

The ancestor of the whale and its first cousin the hippopotamus walked the Earth for 40 million years, munching on plants, before dying out in the ice ages.

Known as the anthracotheres, it became extinct 50 to 60 million years ago, but not before its evolutionary tree diverged — the whale forging into the oceans, the hippopotamus to the African swamps.

Kevin Padian, a University of California-Berkeley paleontologist, told the story of the whale’s journey, along with the travels of its closest living relative, in U.S. Middle District Court Friday to illustrate how the fossil record connects us to our past.

In the First Amendment lawsuit over Dover Area High School’s intelligent design policy, Padian was the plaintiffs’ final science expert to testify. The defense will begin to present its side Monday.

Padian’s testimony was essentially a response to intelligent-design proponents’ claims that paleontology does not account for missing links and the fossil record belies evolutionary theory.

“The problem is that there are no clear transitional fossils linking land mammals to whales,” the pro-intelligent-design textbook “Of Pandas and People” states.

“How many intermediates do you need to suggest relationships?” Padian wondered.

He pointed to numerous transitional fossils as he traced the lineage of the whale to its early ancestors, a group of cloven-hoofed mammals of a group named cetartiodactyla, illustrating the gradual changes of features along the way.

“We think the transitions are pretty good,” he said.

One of Padian’s concerns with intelligent design — the idea that life’s complexities demand an intelligent designer — is that it shuts down the search for answers, he said. “It worries me that students would be told that you can’t get from A to B with natural causes,” he said.

One of the complaints of 11 parents suing the school district is that, after Dover biology students are told about intelligent design, they are referred to “Pandas,” which is housed in the high school library.

While the connection between the whale and hippopotamus is recent, Padian said some of the fossils linking whales to land-dwelling mammals go back to the Civil War but were ignored by the authors of “Pandas.”

The curator of Berkeley’s Museum of Paleontology and author of the “Encyclopedia of Dinosaurs” also testified to the evolutionary link between dinosaurs and birds.

“Pandas” states, “Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agent, with their distinctive features already intact — fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc.”

But Padian, at times affectionately, showed numerous pictures and diagrams of different reptiles evolving from ones possessing scales to ones possessing feathers.

Of a fossil of an archaeopteryx found in the 1860s, Padian said, “Now this is a beautiful critter.”

He also criticized the book’s assertions on homology — the study of similar characteristics of living organisms used to explain their relationships to other organisms.

As he cross-examined Padian, Dover’s attorney Robert Muise brought up one of science’s most ardent evolutionists in raising questions about the fossil record.

Muise asked Padian about the late Stephen Jay Gould’s theory of punctuated equilibrium, the idea that rather than Darwin’s characterization of evolution as slow and gradual change, it may be better described as taking place in fits and starts.

Gould offered the idea as an explanation for the patterns found in the fossil record, which shows abrupt appearances of new species, followed by long stagnant periods with little change.

While “Pandas” argues that intelligent-design proponents consider punctuated equilibrium unprovable, Padian said Gould offered the theory as an explanation to gaps in the fossil record.

“Is natural selection responsible for punctuated equilibrium?” Muise asked at one point.

“That’s a great question,” Padian said. While it may raise questions about the mechanism of evolution, he answered, it doesn’t contradict the idea of common descent.


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KEYWORDS: biology; crevolist; dover; evolution; evolutiontheory; fantasy; farfetched; ridiculous; scienceeducation; sillynonsense; talltale; theoryofevolution; whaletail
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To: cornelis
It still quite evident to me that the sun revolves around me and I need no further proof. Try saying that on the moon.
41 posted on 10/15/2005 8:04:23 AM PDT by EasyBOven
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To: Junior
The official beer of Darwin Central

The Grand Master is pleased.

42 posted on 10/15/2005 8:04:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry ( I won't respond to a troll, crackpot, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: dread78645
God created the evolutionary thread. AdminModDidit placemark

What does that mean?

43 posted on 10/15/2005 8:09:37 AM PDT by phantomworker (Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.)
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To: EasyBOven

Or on the edge of the universe. We have no absolute reference point by except by choice. Our intellegince has insufficient evidence.


44 posted on 10/15/2005 8:09:50 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis
It still quite evident to me that the sun revolves around me and I need no further proof.

Try explaining why toilets flush counter clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern (Or hurricanes, or the shifted path of missile trajectories, or global jet stream patterns) without a rotating Earth.
45 posted on 10/15/2005 8:09:51 AM PDT by EasyBOven
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To: PatrickHenry; Junior

That Guiness link is good! LOL It takes a while to load...


46 posted on 10/15/2005 8:14:16 AM PDT by phantomworker (Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.)
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To: phantomworker
I think I follow your line of though a bit. There is an aspect of determinism in natural causation which is problematic for the possibility of human choice.

The theory of common descent is rather the theory of common biological descent. There may be evidence for speciation, there is absolutely no evidence in bone structures or carbon dating for the history of conceptualization. Bone structure doesn't even tell if she was pretty.

47 posted on 10/15/2005 8:14:25 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: curiosity
God created the evolutionary thread.

Who created God?

48 posted on 10/15/2005 8:15:47 AM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: cornelis

That is so interesting. I have wondering a lot lately about perception and conceptualization. I hope you keep writing about it. Thank you.


49 posted on 10/15/2005 8:17:06 AM PDT by phantomworker (Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.)
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To: Coyoteman

Placemarker


50 posted on 10/15/2005 8:21:30 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


51 posted on 10/15/2005 8:21:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: WildTurkey

Who created God?

You are on track. The ancient Greeks, notably Aristotle, had a concept called the First Cause. To ask what caused the First Cause is only allowed if you are a novice. A First Cause has no prior cause by definition. The next question will be, does the First Cause really exist? Sadly to some, the answer does not depend on us. Nobody can think away what exists, our problem is to have a proper conception of it.


52 posted on 10/15/2005 8:21:56 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: EasyBOven
The toilet thing is a myth but your are correct about the Coriolis effect for the other two.
53 posted on 10/15/2005 8:23:08 AM PDT by opticks
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To: EasyBOven
Rotation is cool.
54 posted on 10/15/2005 8:29:07 AM PDT by cornelis (It takes two to rotate!)
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To: Ichneumon
Just added to The List-O-Links:

NEW Of Pandas and People: A Brief Critique. By Kenneth R. Miller, Professor of Biology.

55 posted on 10/15/2005 8:30:17 AM PDT by PatrickHenry ( I won't respond to a troll, crackpot, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: EasyBOven
Try explaining why toilets flush counter clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern (Or hurricanes, or the shifted path of missile trajectories, or global jet stream patterns) without a rotating Earth.

God did it. End of discussion.

56 posted on 10/15/2005 8:31:17 AM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: phantomworker
You're welcome.

It seems that the concept of an absolute reference point for motion is as odd as the concept of an absolute reference point for ethics.

57 posted on 10/15/2005 8:35:06 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: WildTurkey
End of discussion.

Sounds like Islamic determinism.

58 posted on 10/15/2005 8:36:14 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: phantomworker
> AdminModDidit placemark

What does that mean?

It marks the last reply that I've read in this thread, so I can easily find it later.

59 posted on 10/15/2005 8:38:45 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: King Prout

The tracing of the line of descent from land animals to whales is one of the most beautiful recent examples of science in action, in the way it brings together virtually every known technique and method in biology to help build us up towards a new and startling conclusion.


60 posted on 10/15/2005 8:40:02 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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