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Charting the Reaction to Miers
Right Side Redux ^ | 10/5/05 | Justin Hart

Posted on 10/05/2005 8:46:44 AM PDT by RightSideRedux

Coming from the tech world, I frequently use a Gartner-style Quadrant chart to map things out. Here is my very subjective attempt to identify the trends and opinions that are out there. Again, don't blame me too hard for this, it's VERY subjective click here


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1 posted on 10/05/2005 8:46:46 AM PDT by RightSideRedux
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To: RightSideRedux

It seems that many of the lib Dems and Bush-bots are the only ones strongly in favor of Miers, at this point.


2 posted on 10/05/2005 8:52:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: RightSideRedux

I think the debate over this nomination has been very interesting. There are lots of issues to wrestle with. I for one have been drawn in several different directions, as have the conservative and liberal establishments, it appears.


3 posted on 10/05/2005 8:55:50 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: RightSideRedux

There is just no way to make the argument that she was the best pick and many reasons to believe that she is not only a poor choice, but intentionally so (for example, her age implies to me that she's just meant to be a "place-holder"). If Dems are smart they will smell the opportunity.


4 posted on 10/05/2005 8:57:56 AM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: TomGuy
"It seems that many of the lib Dems and Bush-bots are the only ones strongly in favor of Miers, at this point."

forgot sarcasm tag

5 posted on 10/05/2005 8:58:02 AM PDT by NameItClaimIt (Birkenstocks, Subarus, and Tree-hugging)
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To: Betaille
There is just no way to make the argument that she was the best pick

It depends on the definition of "best".

6 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:10 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: RightSideRedux

Thanks for the charts...you did a great job.

Here's my problem with the Conservative Media being the most outspoken against her.

Conservative media are useful, but they are entertainers in one sense, same with journalists, they all make their money by being "bombastic." They are paid commentators and they have been wrong about Bush before. If I recall neither Coulter nor Malkin liked Roberts either, but when I heard him testify before the Senate Judicial Committee, I knew immediately why the President had chosen him.

I even remember Rush apologizing for misjudging Bush on something, but can't quite remember what that was.

I'm sticking with Bush and Cheney, plus the other "religious right" figures that seem to all support Ms. Miers. I'm still waiting how the Dems are going to play this one when the fact gets out that she's an evangelical.


7 posted on 10/05/2005 9:02:36 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: rhombus

"It depends on the definition of "best"."

That's what intrigues me so much about all this... by what definition of "best" was she the best pick?


8 posted on 10/05/2005 9:03:29 AM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: Betaille

A 60 year-old woman is expected to live longer than a 60 year-old man. So, Miers (age wise) is equivalent to a 53 year-old man....not much different that Roberts, who was hailed as someone to occupy the bench for year to come.


9 posted on 10/05/2005 9:04:52 AM PDT by colorcountry (George W. Bush... Saving your ass whether you like it or not!)
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To: Betaille
her age implies to me that she's just meant to be a "place-holder"

A "place holder" until the day that Hillary (bite my tongue) gets to choose her successor?

10 posted on 10/05/2005 9:06:50 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Betaille

When you get to be President, you may have the privilege of deciding who is the best pick. You seem to have made up your mind rather prematurely, or maybe you are just disappointed that Bush has avoided the knock down, drag out battle that would have resulted from the nomination of a documented conservative, as opposed to a simply philosophical conservative.


11 posted on 10/05/2005 9:10:14 AM PDT by Eva
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

"A "place holder" until the day that Hillary (bite my tongue) gets to choose her successor?"

I don't think she will be out that quickly, but I expect she will be replaced within 15 years, whichever party is in power.


12 posted on 10/05/2005 9:10:48 AM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: Betaille
That's what intrigues me so much about all this... by what definition of "best" was she the best pick

The strategery of course is to confound the libs and let them diminish slowly. Despite Bush's base who wanted a show of strength to put the Dems away (i.e., renominating Bork), such an action would rally the Democratic base and give them that fund raising opportunity for 2006 and beyond. Given that opportunity they'd afain find sympathy with soccer moms and their naughty daughters. So Bush spends some capital with his base and sends in church lady Harriet knowing she's got some good people around her like Thomas, Scalia, and now Roberts. Who is Harriet going to hang with? Miss Grundy Ginsberg? I don't think so. So this puts Democrats in the position of arguing either she can't be on the court because of her religion (evangelical) or she is unqualified which means she isn't a judge and didn't go the the "right" law school. Those issues are NOT going to energize the Democrats. It's too bad those issues are energizing Republicans so.

13 posted on 10/05/2005 9:11:07 AM PDT by rhombus
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I appreciate that finally a pro-Miers poster has attempted to actually make a case for her, but I think your case is rather far-fetched.

"Who is Harriet going to hang with? Miss Grundy Ginsberg?"

That's just an absurd argument. Have you ever heard of Stevens or Souter? Heck.. have you ever heard of O'connor or Kennedy?

"Despite Bush's base who wanted a show of strength to put the Dems away (i.e., renominating Bork), such an action would rally the Democratic base and give them that fund raising opportunity for 2006 and beyond."

Actually, I think Miers is far more likely to be "Bork"'ed than the most qualified candidates would have been. If avoiding giving Democrats fund-raising opportunities is our main political objective, why fight at all? Why not just let them choose the nominee? That way they will have no need to take over the senate.


14 posted on 10/05/2005 9:17:39 AM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: dawn53
I'm still waiting how the Dems are going to play this one when the fact gets out that she's an evangelical.

When the wacked out left wingers that the dems are beholden to for $$$$$$ start putting the pressure on the dems in the senate you will see a full blown orgasm of a fight
That is why Bush should have picked a judge
He is going to end up in a fight either way

BTW Notice how he said in his press conference yesterday "IF she gets approved" . With Roberts wasn't it "When he gets approved."
15 posted on 10/05/2005 9:19:54 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Betaille

The country-club set of the Republican party plays golf - they should learn to play poker.


16 posted on 10/05/2005 9:20:35 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: dawn53

Ann needs a dose of STFU. Like she could do better. Every one complains that Miers has no history and cannot predict how she will affect the court. Any pick GW made could have a life altering moment and not vote the way conservatives want.

Give the lady a break. I actually like it that she was not a judge. It irks me that people think judges are the only ones worthy to sit on the court. I'll take a fair minded, God fearing, intelligent person anyday over a judge just because he/she is a judge.

Give the President a break. Other than the border he hasn't diappointed. He does what he says. I wanted a fight as well but maybe ths is a better route in the long run. The first time a big ruling comes down that goes for the conservatives they will all be saying how great she is.

Besides GW nay get another SCOTUS pick ( Stevens isn't getting any younger ) and a just as important appointment will be Greenspan's replacement.


17 posted on 10/05/2005 9:25:52 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: rhombus

"The country-club set of the Republican party plays golf - they should learn to play poker."

I don't think Bush is a "country-club" Republican. I just think that maybe he's been spending too much time in Washington lately. Conservatives who spend too much time in Washington always seem to become obsessed with "consensus". They also assume that if Republican Senators and Democrat Senators agree on something, that means that Republicans and Democrats around the country must agree on it also. Sort of like the immigration issue.


18 posted on 10/05/2005 9:26:32 AM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: uncbob
When the wacked out left wingers that the dems are beholden to for $$$$$$ start putting the pressure on the dems in the senate you will see a full blown orgasm of a fight

You could be right. Won't it be fun to see Ted Kennedy shouting at grandma?

19 posted on 10/05/2005 9:26:58 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Betaille

I know Bush is NOT a country club Republican. Consensus is indeed anoying but think Chafee, Collins, Snowe... even McCain. Unfortunately these are votes that have to be accounted for.


20 posted on 10/05/2005 9:29:01 AM PDT by rhombus
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